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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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additional july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this

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fade to world it's your host jimmy

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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for the

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masses

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yeah man

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how are you doing today's wednesday

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september 7th

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2022 let's do this man schrader

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yeah i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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far and near

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this is fade to black

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for kjcr the game changer and annex

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networks raise hobbs

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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all right matt it's gonna be a big show

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tonight

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that's right dave schrader

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dave schrader is back

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he's here to talk about his new series

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ghosts

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of devil's perch

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have you seen it yet you need to check

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it out discovery plus travel channel

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first three episodes are out it's good

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stuff man we're gonna be talking about

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that tonight and so much more

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and uh yeah yeah yeah i've watched the

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first three episodes

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um i'm texting dave

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now you know he's like

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dave

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he's up there somewhere

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um on the border of the united states

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and canada and uh

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you know i don't know what time zone

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he's in but you know so last night and

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uh like dude

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i'm texting dave

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from my bed

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i know right right

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and uh there we are texting like little

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kids uh over his new series and uh it's

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amazing it's amazing check it out

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uh the ghosts of devil's perch what does

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all of that mean what is devil's perch

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is this is

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it's pretty interesting you need to go

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and check it out we'll be talking about

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all of that tonight

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dave schrader is here tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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and uh besides tonight with dave

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tomorrow is my favorite night of the

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all right coming up i will be hosting

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the conscious life expo

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this february 10th through the 13th at

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the lax hilton tickets and info

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i'm assuming that uh i mean i know uh

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of of the events and things but

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i'm assuming everything is going to be

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the same that it is every year we will

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have a booth

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at our

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same spot that uh we're at every year

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man that would bum me out if they moved

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us it's right next to the elevators man

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so i can just

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you know it's it's great anyway

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it's the little things man

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it's the little things and then right

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after that april 7th through the 14th

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2023 i am taking my first cruise

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taking my first cruise and uh headed

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down to mexico

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and it's the hidden secrets seminar at

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sea cruise i'll be hosting and

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presenting

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and uh great list of speakers including

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scott walter and adam apollo

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nick pope brad olson

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vivian chave is going to be you got to

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you've got to go on this cruise with me

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and hang out with vivian she's

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absolutely amazing so anyway we're all

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come in and and do a cruise with me

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i don't know if it was they've got this

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particular ship that we're on i think

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it's got the the biggest the tallest

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i wonder if they got a go-kart track

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that'd be cool

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you go

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stuff you can do on land

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you know submarine rides well that would

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be cool you know snorkeling jumping off

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the deck into the ocean that'd be cool

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could you can he do that

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can he swim with the dolphins

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no you just do all the stuff you do on

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land but it's out at sea

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so there you go i can't wait it's going

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to be so much fun and the links for that

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to just get this done go get the monthly

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um i mentioned this last week that they

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the the three pack special well they've

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done it again they have extended it

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and because of the response from all of

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and this is really cool so you get to

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everything smell great plugs in the wall

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it's got a usb port put it in your car

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put it in your car i told you and i'm

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not i'm not kidding about this i know

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in a bag with uneaten french fries

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all right well okay

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keep doing that

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with your thunderstorm nobody's gonna

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all right they're not gonna see

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people get in your car and they go

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right and they look around what is that

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is there something under your seat you

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don't want to be that person you don't

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have to anymore get a thunderbird you

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got a thunderbird thunderstorm

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all right that's all you gotta do click

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at j church radio

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yeah follow me on twitter

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at jtertradio the sandbox is live right

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in front of me there's olivia with a

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dancing monkey what is that

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a dancing monkey

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tri-scale he's got some simpsons going

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betty jojo she's awesome

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stephen owen stephen uh with shrimp

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recipe one day it's a simple recipe

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it's how you do it

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that's right it was handed down

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did you guys hear that okay hold on a

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i don't even know what that sounded like

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you know and that's going down when i

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man i just don't need this man i i more

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more on that and yeah you heard it right

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yes it was weird yes yes no nope okay

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yes i heard it thump knock no it was

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schrader's on the show i'm just gonna

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freak myself out tonight

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all right let's get into the breaking

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guys because first off i know it's great

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because i have renee

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renee is absolutely amazing and the

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second thing and renee renee sends me

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30 news stories i i could do the whole

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show with what renee sends me every day

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and i just go there man that's amazing

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that's amazing and so i got 30 now i got

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to get the five

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out of 30 amazing things that she sends

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me she is so good at it she's inside my

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head now i've got a you know by the time

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i get it down to three four five uh

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breaking news stories it's the best

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like this

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are you ready

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a new study has shown that astronauts

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the study published in communications

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biology in august looked at the blood

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shuttle program right over time

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the researchers noted several dna

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mutations and blood forming stem cells

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compared to the blood taken previously

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they compared the samples to the

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astronauts current blood spectrum and

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they started finding the mutations in

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the dna altogether they discovered 34

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they say that the presence of these

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i mean what

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yeah

288
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all right now this news broke it went

289
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all over the web today but i'm going to

290
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share it with you it's pretty incredible

291
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because a 31 000 year old skeleton of a

292
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young adult

293
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found in a cave in borneo

294
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that is

295
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missing its left foot and part of its

296
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left leg reveal the oldest known

297
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evidence of an amputation of surgery all

298
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of this according to a new study

299
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scientists say the amputation

300
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was performed when the person was a

301
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child and that the patient went on to

302
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live for years as an amputee

303
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the prehistoric surgery could show that

304
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humans were making medical advances much

305
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earlier than previously thought you

306
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think and according to the study

307
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published wednesday

308
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all in the journal nature

309
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that's incredible a new discovery

310
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suggests

311
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that

312
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there's a joke there right 31 000 years

313
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ago you know in your city and you got

314
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this thing going on in fact whatever

315
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and some genius

316
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in the tribe

317
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steps up and says man we got to take

318
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:30,080
your leg off what

319
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you know

320
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:32,080
no drugs

321
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:35,200
[Laughter]

322
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,880
they don't even know what to bite down

323
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:38,720
on because they have nobody's done it

324
00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:39,760
yet

325
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and what are they going to use

326
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to cut off your your limb

327
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:48,559
what are they going to use they don't

328
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:51,360
have surgical steel i don't think

329
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,480
you know

330
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:54,160
uh

331
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i mean

332
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it's crazy just just

333
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:06,240
crazy and and went on to live by the way

334
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:09,440
all right a new a new discovery

335
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:10,799
suggest that

336
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the red supergiant beetlejuice you know

337
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:15,760
the star that you see every night in the

338
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sky

339
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,520
was actually yellow

340
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,160
just 2 000 years ago

341
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,000
using historical depictions and

342
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,840
descriptions of beetlejuice throughout

343
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,880
the ages

344
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scientists have been able to pinpoint

345
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roughly when the supergiant star got its

346
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red coloration

347
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,520
the team found that the star located in

348
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,919
the orion constellation in the milky way

349
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:39,360
started

350
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:43,280
around 600 and for is around 640 light

351
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:45,840
years from earth changed from yellow

352
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:49,039
orange color to red approximately 2 000

353
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:50,559
years ago now

354
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:52,720
one of the sources used by the team was

355
00:20:02,870 --> 00:19:56,320
chinese court astronomer sima kyan

356
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:05,830
and he said he commented he said quote

357
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:09,600
white is like sirius red is like antares

358
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,720
yellow

359
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,559
like beetlejuice

360
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:13,840
and blue

361
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,640
like bellatrix

362
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:19,280
moving forward 100 years in history year

363
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:23,280
zero a roman scholar hygienist

364
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,430
i'm gonna let that go

365
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,440
a roman scholar wrote that betelgeuse

366
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,760
was similar in color to saturn

367
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,000
suggesting that the at that time the

368
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:40,080
star was also yellow

369
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:43,840
and 100 years after that 100 a.d

370
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,039
astronomer ptolemy compared betelgeuse

371
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,360
to other stars distinguishing it from

372
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,760
red-colored bright stars like in taurus

373
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,080
a red supergiant around 700 times the

374
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size of our sun whose very name in greek

375
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,480
means

376
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,480
like mars

377
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,520
there you go well a pair of rocky

378
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:05,280
planets

379
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:08,559
slightly larger than earth

380
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:13,360
that closely orbit a dim red dwarf star

381
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,840
seem

382
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,120
habitable that's right and one of them

383
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:20,000
appears to be the second most habitable

384
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,760
exoplanet discovered so far

385
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,159
this is big huge breaking news the

386
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:27,520
planets are called

387
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:28,840
lp

388
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:31,520
899b which has been spotted before but

389
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,799
we knew very little about it and lp 899c

390
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,200
or speculoos

391
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:41,440
2c

392
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:42,559
now

393
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:46,640
speculoos 2c

394
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:49,280
beyond its size and its eight days that

395
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,280
it takes to orbited star but lp 890-9 or

396
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,760
speculoos 2 but

397
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,240
amari triad of the university of

398
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,559
birmingham uk and his colleagues who

399
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,120
have spotted it hope the james webb

400
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,280
space telescope might tell us more about

401
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,600
whether it has an atmosphere

402
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:10,720
and what it contains the team estimates

403
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,360
that it appears to be the second most

404
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,080
habitable planet discovered so far

405
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,840
after trappists

406
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,520
one e

407
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:21,760
this is big news let's get to show

408
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,760
cracking on this day in history otd

409
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,440
1996

410
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,559
sad day

411
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:29,840
tupac

412
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,120
las vegas nevada after attending the

413
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,159
mike tyson bruce selden boxing match

414
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:41,440
he died in a hospital several days later

415
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,360
on this day in 1996 still unsolved

416
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,799
fader fact

417
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,440
all right now here you go now listen to

418
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,200
me

419
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,039
a duel

420
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,400
between

421
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,039
three people

422
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,400
is called a troll

423
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,320
you didn't know that did you

424
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,400
yeah and they're real

425
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:06,960
in the movie the good the bad and the

426
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,320
ugly there was a troll at the end of the

427
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,640
movie among the three main characters

428
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,840
blondie

429
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,880
the good

430
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:17,120
angelize the bad

431
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,640
and tuko

432
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,480
the ugly

433
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,280
and that is your fate or fact and a

434
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,600
typical troll

435
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:27,360
this is what i understand

436
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:30,559
you have the three people that that have

437
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,679
signed up for the troll

438
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,520
you have a pistol

439
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,120
and everybody has one shot

440
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,279
that's it and typically

441
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,320
you're shooting the person to your left

442
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,480
and then it goes around the corner you

443
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,240
know so that's it

444
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,440
and and then you take your shot

445
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,200
that's crazy

446
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,440
i didn't know i didn't know until today

447
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,600
a troll

448
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,200
there you go

449
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,520
all right

450
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,240
tonight dave schrader is here

451
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,480
talking about his new tv series it's

452
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,960
actually amazing

453
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:10,720
i expected that it's dave schrader but

454
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,240
it's called the ghosts of devil's perch

455
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,720
and uh it's on travel channel and

456
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,840
discovery plus so just go and peep it

457
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,919
out um i don't know how many episodes

458
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,159
are in the season i'm up to episode

459
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,159
three and dave was just telling me

460
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:27,600
before the show

461
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,840
that uh new episodes air on

462
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,120
sundays all right so we'll get to all of

463
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,320
that tonight with dave schrader but

464
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:36,400
right now i'm going to hit this

465
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,990
fade to black blend

466
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,430
rivermoonwellness.com

467
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:53,830
go backly tappy

468
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,590
river moon's links are below it's the

469
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,880
best coffee in the world if you're a

470
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,480
coffee drinker like me that's why you're

471
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:07,520
here

472
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,440
drinker that's why that's why i do the

473
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,600
show everybody here

474
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:18,630
we all like the rock and roll

475
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,919
we all like the ufos the aliens the big

476
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,880
feet

477
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,480
right

478
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,559
we like all of those things

479
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,960
food

480
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,799
and coffee

481
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,559
all right tomorrow nights another fader

482
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,000
night with open lines all night long so

483
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,440
tonight dave schrader is on the show

484
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,720
with us

485
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,559
and uh

486
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:40,400
we're gonna be talking about ghosts

487
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,110
but i want to share this with you we all

488
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,200
know

489
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,000
i live in a haunted house

490
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,000
i have not hidden this fact from you

491
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,200
i've been very open about it and me and

492
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,120
whatever is here

493
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,200
we just kind of get along all right and

494
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,960
you just got to deal with it i'm not

495
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:05,120
going anywhere

496
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,919
so

497
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:07,600
you just kind of got to deal with it and

498
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,400
so

499
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:11,039
saturday i had jordan ziff um over at

500
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,000
the house

501
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,120
and he he got here um in the early

502
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,320
afternoon uh like about two o'clock

503
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,520
and uh we played guitar all day just

504
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,480
sitting

505
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,960
trading riffs and and goofing around and

506
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,120
eating and and and doing our thing it

507
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,360
was it was an amazing day

508
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:31,440
sometime in the evening

509
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,600
okay um it was dark outside so

510
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,720
um i'm gonna say nine o'clock

511
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,799
ten o'clock or so

512
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,760
this is what happens uh now it was early

513
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,760
it's probably nine o'clock

514
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,559
but we're sitting right here i'm sitting

515
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,320
in this chair had the arms folded up

516
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,760
like this and

517
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:54,240
got my guitar out i'm facing jordan's

518
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:55,279
here

519
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:59,120
we're playing we got the drum machine

520
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:01,039
going see look watch

521
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,320
oh wait

522
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,840
sorry

523
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,520
got a drum machine here plays bass

524
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,120
pattern you know a word

525
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,799
it was a great time

526
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:10,799
and then

527
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,430
now the sound and it was loud

528
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,120
was kind of like you know when you've

529
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,080
got a refrigerator on a dolly and you're

530
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:24,960
rolling it downstairs

531
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,230
and we both look at each other

532
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,360
and stop the drum machine and then it

533
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:37,279
happens again

534
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,399
thump thump

535
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,919
loud

536
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,240
and jordan he takes his guitar off and

537
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,240
he's running out of the bunker

538
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,279
and i take my guitar off and i follow

539
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,520
him and we go out

540
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,799
to to see

541
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,080
what it was

542
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,399
and my house is

543
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,440
is i'm a bit of a neat freak everything

544
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,679
is in its place you know and so you're

545
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,600
going to see if something is out of

546
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,440
place you just look around and

547
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,919
everything's normal

548
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,720
and

549
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,480
we don't see anything don't hear

550
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,919
anything

551
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,200
and uh

552
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,559
and then

553
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,200
and we're both confused

554
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,960
and uh just sounded like you know it's

555
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,880
just right it was loud

556
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:22,000
so i go out the front door

557
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:23,200
and

558
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,200
freaking out but i can't i can't have

559
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,960
him freak out

560
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,720
and i go oh i just heard it again he

561
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,200
goes you did i go yeah it's

562
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,640
it's

563
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:36,399
fireworks

564
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,279
i

565
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,919
mouth

566
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:41,679
that's what i said

567
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,840
and he

568
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:45,840
goes fireworks

569
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,430
and he

570
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,080
and i'm serious he looked he didn't he

571
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,279
didn't contest but he looked at me like

572
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,440
church you are full of crap

573
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,640
right

574
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:05,360
but he didn't say it he didn't you know

575
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,950
it was it was a it was a it was a gaggle

576
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:15,600
of gorillas whatever it was like the

577
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,880
most stupidest thing that could but i i

578
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,880
i just said what i said

579
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and we stood out there for a minute

580
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,440
there was nothing else there were no

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fireworks

582
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and we walked back in the house and and

583
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we were we're both freaked out

584
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and uh shut the door when we come back

585
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,960
in here nothing

586
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,480
for the rest of the night

587
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and i can't

588
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,880
and and here's the thing when you know

589
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,880
we've got dave on the show tonight and i

590
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know i realize

591
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that this stuff

592
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,600
you know it it kind of goes on and i've

593
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just

594
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,600
accepted it and i think that a lot of

595
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people do i really do if you're hearing

596
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stuff in your house and it happens over

597
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,080
and over again and there's nothing you

598
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,399
can really do about it you're not going

599
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,039
to be calling ghostbusters you're just

600
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:07,520
going to write it out and deal with it

601
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,039
and that is what i've chosen to do

602
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,200
jordan

603
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,640
got to hear it

604
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,919
himself

605
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,320
and i saw his reaction and as a matter

606
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,320
of fact he ran he was i think he was

607
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,880
going to kick some butt but he he dashed

608
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right out of here

609
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,919
and uh

610
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,960
uh

611
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,039
i guess

612
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,760
the only

613
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,159
it was weird

614
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,799
i tried to calm him down

615
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,640
we could have gone the other direction

616
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,480
with this and this is the reason why i'm

617
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,919
sharing this with you

618
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,919
we could have stopped what we were doing

619
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,600
we could have stopped playing guitar we

620
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:47,360
could have stopped the day that we were

621
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,480
having

622
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,640
and and gone on the ghost hunt and tried

623
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to figure things out and walked around

624
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:54,080
the house and and think and you know

625
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,880
what

626
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,919
no

627
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,559
it would have killed the mood and and

628
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,039
and we were in the zone you know playing

629
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,960
guitar and stuff and i just i didn't

630
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,399
want to go there

631
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,039
i i don't want to figure it out

632
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,440
i i'm trying to live with it

633
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,760
but to have somebody here with you when

634
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,279
it goes down

635
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,200
that's the that's the part where it's

636
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,360
like it's not my imagination

637
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,880
you know and

638
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:19,840
and

639
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,240
you can reach out to jordan on twitter

640
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facebook instagram

641
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,240
and go so

642
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,640
church told us the story of the thumps

643
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,080
when you guys were playing guitar did

644
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,640
that really happen go for it

645
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,760
yeah

646
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,039
man

647
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,480
it was a trip

648
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,640
and that's what tonight's show is all

649
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:42,960
about we've got dave schrader here

650
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:47,039
and uh the new season of uh ghost of

651
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,039
devil's perch is out the first three

652
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,320
episodes

653
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,440
are are there it airs on sunday nights

654
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:55,760
and this is a good one and it's not

655
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,640
going to be what you expect

656
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,120
i mean i don't know where this is going

657
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:03,360
but where it has started and and what

658
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,640
has unfolded so far i didn't expect any

659
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:09,039
of this it's a tremendous series so go

660
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and check that out dave will be here

661
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,080
right after this short break i am your

662
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,799
host jimmy church on the game changer

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and on x networks this is fade to black

664
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:19,600
tonight dave schrader tomorrow night

665
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it's open lines all night long

666
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,880
all right all right i'll be right back

667
00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:26,640
after this short break with dave

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pollutants in your home and destroys

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them it's called a thunderstorm because

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is not

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your father's radio show

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on the game changer radio network

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00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:01,760
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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chris what up this jimmychurchradio.com

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jimmy church radio

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00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:30,630
welcome back fade to black i'm hill

756
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,510
tonight dave schrader dave is with us

757
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darkness dave

758
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,839
hi it's dave schrader

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tonight we're going to be talking about

760
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his new series it's on travel discovery

761
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,720
plus ghost of devil's perch

762
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his former host of the long-running

763
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paranormal talk radio show darkness

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radio the lead investigator on the

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paranormal theme traffic channel series

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the holzer files two seasons there

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amazing

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february of this year he launched the

769
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paranormal 60 with dave schrader

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00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:06,880
you know i am addicted to the paranormal

771
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,760
60 by the way and uh

772
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,599
uh it's pretty amazing so you need to go

773
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and check all of that out you can just

774
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go to darknessradio.com everything is

775
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,280
right there because since an early age

776
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,520
he's been surrounded by the strange and

777
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,359
it follows him

778
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,839
including this new tv series man some

779
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:25,839
stuff goes down

780
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,720
he he does it he pushes it he wants to

781
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:30,800
find out he doesn't

782
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,680
uh take things lightly

783
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,520
right he pushes the limits by

784
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,000
investigating them himself all of this

785
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,680
paranormal activity

786
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,200
visiting some of the most active and

787
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,839
haunted locations in the world and right

788
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,400
now it's where he is at here in the

789
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,560
united states he does not hunt the

790
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,280
paranormal and apparently in this series

791
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,880
it's hunting him

792
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,079
i'm gonna

793
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,160
just get straight to dave uh

794
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,119
congratulations amazing series and i

795
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:01,440
haven't texted from my bed with a grown

796
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:04,880
man at night uh in my entire life but uh

797
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,359
that was a lot of fun last night my man

798
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,800
well i'm glad we're able to have those

799
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,960
brief moments together jimmy that we'll

800
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,800
cement our friendship in ways i never

801
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,480
expected

802
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,560
a couple of nights ago everybody i'm in

803
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,520
bed

804
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,760
and it's late too by the way i mean i

805
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:21,680
just couldn't believe it dave

806
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,640
are you up like oh man do i respond to

807
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,320
this right now

808
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,880
ah it's dave yeah what's going on dude

809
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,800
we were texting for 30 minutes at two

810
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:32,320
o'clock in the morning

811
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,440
so

812
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,359
there you go you know it's yeah you know

813
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,760
it's it's keeping in touch it's knowing

814
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,599
that your buddy's always up late because

815
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,000
that's what we are we're late night guys

816
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,119
yeah we and always have been and it's

817
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,440
you know what our friendship um dude it

818
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,599
means so much to me and uh we've gone

819
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,280
through so much together

820
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,000
uh over the years and

821
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,160
uh i mean at some point i've got this

822
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,880
jimmy church tattoo right over my head

823
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,119
um i i can't wait one day we're going to

824
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,800
be knocking back beers somewhere going

825
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,480
dude do you remember that do you

826
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,880
remember that week

827
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,400
you know it's it's it's going to be a

828
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,040
lot of fun and if we remember it shame

829
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,520
on us yeah i know right right right

830
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,880
but um

831
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,640
i was just uh

832
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:18,560
a couple of things and for some reason

833
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:19,760
right now

834
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,440
underwear is the topic not ghost in uh

835
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,800
the chat room right now if you're

836
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:26,160
watching this

837
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,839
um boxers are briefs where do you go

838
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,720
i am a hybrid guy i like my boxer briefs

839
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,720
to be honest with you i'm a boxer brief

840
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,599
guy myself yeah yeah oh i actually it's

841
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,599
not boxers or briefs anymore you're

842
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,359
right you've got to go to

843
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,200
c and d there's a couple of other

844
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,240
categories uh there yeah so i'm a boxer

845
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,000
brief scout too as well i think that

846
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,720
comes with age you know it helps hold it

847
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,640
in okay so that

848
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:54,319
that makes a lot of sense

849
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,280
uh because in one of the episodes i

850
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:59,280
think i got a glimpse of your underwear

851
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:00,560
um

852
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,480
yeah

853
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,240
i'm gonna talk about that in just a

854
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,560
minute spoiler alert here my underwear

855
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,920
we're going to talk about my underwear

856
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,359
gym yeah

857
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,480
and uh because um

858
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,400
i watched all three episodes that are

859
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,760
currently out it's um uh airing on new

860
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,359
episodes on sundays

861
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,520
um so i got the first three episodes out

862
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:24,720
of the way

863
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,240
um specifically without giving away

864
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,400
stuff because

865
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,640
there's way too much stuff going on i'm

866
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,640
gonna bring up a few specific things

867
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:37,920
that were absolutely mind-blowing sure

868
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,880
but but i'll i'll say this man

869
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:43,760
uh that is non-stop action in each

870
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,960
episode i mean that's like

871
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,760
holy smokes right and

872
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,880
uh

873
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,800
i i can't

874
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:53,839
uh

875
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,599
two or three episodes

876
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,680
you know uh breaking down everything

877
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,920
that happened there's too much going on

878
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,880
um so everybody that goes in and watches

879
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,119
it is gonna understand what what i'm

880
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:11,200
trying to express here uh my feelings

881
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,400
with this but

882
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,119
there were a few key moments but now

883
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,040
let's back up

884
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,720
okay uh

885
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,960
the title of the show

886
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,119
i didn't understand which is cool i

887
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,720
didn't know what the show was about so i

888
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:26,800
get to go in blind right

889
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,839
the devil's

890
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,839
perch let's let's start there what is

891
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,440
devil's perch

892
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:35,040
well let's actually let's start at the

893
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,400
beginning just to kind of catch your

894
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,079
listeners up well

895
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,319
actually okay this is actually the

896
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,720
fourth season of the

897
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,280
series season one and two were ghosts of

898
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,160
shepherdstown yes nick roth formerly of

899
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,560
ghost adventures and elizabeth saint yep

900
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,440
then

901
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,079
season three was ghosts of morgan city

902
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,040
and that was in louisiana and it was um

903
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,960
ben hansen who a lot of people recognize

904
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:00,319
from a lot of the ufo shows and

905
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,000
documentaries uh medium sarah lamos and

906
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,040
uh jeremy leonard the cajun demonologist

907
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,599
and katie stafford the mad scientist of

908
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,960
the paranormal he's a guy that builds a

909
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,400
lot of the different equipment

910
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,440
that they use on the show and

911
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:18,480
season four now is ghosts of devil's

912
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,359
perch

913
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,520
and each one of the seasons behind this

914
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,359
was the fact that

915
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:26,079
a local city in different states had

916
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,680
reached out to paranormal investigators

917
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,200
and in the first case it was nick roth

918
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,119
and elizabeth saint because they had an

919
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,800
uptick in strange paranormal activity in

920
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,160
their area that was something that the

921
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,319
police were not capable of handling

922
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,960
because that's not their forte right so

923
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,400
they went out and investigate well when

924
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,240
they did that and they saw the respect

925
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,160
that that the show was showing towards

926
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,000
these town and the people and the

927
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,040
history uh morgan city reached out and

928
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,599
then after morgan city about 20 other

929
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,280
cities around the united states reached

930
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:54,880
out for help and butte was one of the

931
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,920
first ones so they connected with it

932
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,240
and we went to butte montana for the

933
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,319
series cindy kaza and i were featured on

934
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,480
the tv show the holzer files

935
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,560
and we rolled over onto this series with

936
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,560
katie stafford who was on ghost of

937
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,599
morgan city and now we are in the town

938
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,200
of butte because uh

939
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,640
sheriff lester

940
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,680
and the mayor jp gallagher were dealing

941
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,359
with an uptick in strange supernatural

942
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,560
activity and they were they're

943
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,079
refurbishing the town they're really

944
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,240
trying to put a new face on it upgrade

945
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,760
the buildings clean everything up and i

946
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,160
think that's part of what's stirring

947
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,680
the pot going on there with the

948
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,920
supernatural and uh we went in to see if

949
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,240
we could maybe dig deeper give them some

950
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:35,599
answers and try to help the people that

951
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,480
were coming up against strange activity

952
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,560
now it uh it's a really cool

953
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,480
introduction to the show

954
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,200
to have the mayor right

955
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:47,680
right the head of law enforcement going

956
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,599
dude the entire city has got an issue

957
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,280
right now

958
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,599
um this isn't a house

959
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,000
right this isn't a

960
00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:00,160
a sanitarium right

961
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,520
prison

962
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,800
the whole city has run amok

963
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:05,599
and

964
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,160
right but i'm not so sure that

965
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:14,640
television put the look on that mayor's

966
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,800
face when he's got to tell you know he's

967
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,880
he's he's running a town

968
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,200
and he's he's got to reach out to you

969
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,880
guys because there was something going

970
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,680
on that's that's pretty wild and i mean

971
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,839
what's next you know it's the mayor of

972
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,520
new york on the line

973
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,520
you know i mean

974
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,920
where you've got dogs and cats living

975
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,560
together it's pure chaos and anarchy yes

976
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:40,480
we could only hope yeah

977
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:44,160
yeah now um okay can i ask a question um

978
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,560
and this is just for me if i said no

979
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:50,640
i'm gonna push it i'm gonna get it out

980
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,000
of you whose rv is that

981
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,319
well we were

982
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,079
we wanted to blend

983
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,000
so they sent me out they sent me out to

984
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,079
find a vehicle and the rv has been a big

985
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,079
thing in a lot of the other series so i

986
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,400
went out and i found this rv maybe i'm

987
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,720
i'm not a gearhead i'm not a car guy but

988
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,560
i had a good deal on this rv so we

989
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,760
rented it

990
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,079
a good deal on the rv no doubt i don't

991
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,640
know that we did but uh we got it

992
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,960
and um

993
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,520
it is uh quite a character in itself

994
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,880
this rv i wanted to blend in because

995
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,720
we've got a lot of equipment that we

996
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,920
carry around with us and we didn't want

997
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,640
to be in these slick black suvs and you

998
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,640
know rolling up in this little

999
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:33,599
town this this kind of mayberry town

1000
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,480
with

1001
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,480
it just it felt weird so we got this rv

1002
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,920
that we could kind of hide in plain

1003
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,200
sight while we were doing what we were

1004
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,640
doing i don't know if that'll work if we

1005
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,319
go back for a second season people will

1006
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,880
know what we're doing but um

1007
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,160
yeah it might be

1008
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,720
my best marisa tomei

1009
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:50,480
you blend

1010
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,680
yeah oh i blended yeah

1011
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,440
but that thing was scarier than most of

1012
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,880
the paranormal activity because

1013
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,480
sometimes the brakes didn't want to work

1014
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,079
jimmy and as you're driving you've got

1015
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,599
what they call the camera car in front

1016
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,119
of you so as you're driving they have

1017
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:05,040
somebody sitting in the back filming you

1018
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,480
through the windshield

1019
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,720
yeah yes we're heading there and all of

1020
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,000
a sudden we'd come up over crest and

1021
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,599
start going downhill and a red light

1022
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,960
would turn on

1023
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,839
and

1024
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,520
there they had to cut away because there

1025
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,440
are scenes where as i'm approaching that

1026
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,280
car i'm literally

1027
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,240
standing on the brake in the rv and the

1028
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,079
car's just

1029
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,880
and we would stop within millimeters of

1030
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,559
the bumper of the the

1031
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,640
the camera car in front of us sometimes

1032
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,160
so halfway down you're just seeing the

1033
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,480
stressed look on my face eyebrows arched

1034
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,359
teeth clenched sweat on our brows and we

1035
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,359
would barely make it every time so i i

1036
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,480
think if we go back we're going to have

1037
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,640
to insist that they do some work on on

1038
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,160
the brakes

1039
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:46,160
i got to say man uh

1040
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,390
it is a character on the show i just had

1041
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,280
to ask that i was yeah it was uh that it

1042
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,680
was it's a classic it's like late 70s

1043
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,280
early 80s

1044
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:02,000
shag carpet inside

1045
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,640
micah everywhere it's amazing and uh

1046
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,559
yeah and then they're like you cannot

1047
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,920
use the bathroom

1048
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,240
okay fair enough i don't none of us want

1049
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,240
to anyway because we're in a very small

1050
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,920
camper and the last thing we want to do

1051
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,640
is you know be working on evidence and a

1052
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,480
foot away from somebody

1053
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,280
having a a moment so it was just very uh

1054
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,960
it's a cool little uh vehicle to drive

1055
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,640
around and we got some cool custom

1056
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,400
plates for it and

1057
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:30,960
um dude it's always a great time yeah

1058
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,119
it's totally awesome i i'm very

1059
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,119
uh very impressed with that

1060
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,880
and every time you guys go and get in

1061
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:41,040
that camper i'm like man god bless dave

1062
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,160
trader

1063
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:44,800
got that rv in this show this is just

1064
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,839
totally cool so

1065
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,640
okay

1066
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:50,400
is that

1067
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:54,079
haunted

1068
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,200
i i mean

1069
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,440
it it there is

1070
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:00,319
um it you know i keep going back to like

1071
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,839
ghostbusters or something like that

1072
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,680
where every every time you turn around

1073
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:05,920
there's something else on something else

1074
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,440
but uh it's it's multiple locations

1075
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,000
um it seems to be all over the place

1076
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,400
and the paranormal activity which is all

1077
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,920
caught on tape and there are some pretty

1078
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,599
incredible moments and we're going to

1079
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,119
get to some of this including things

1080
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,880
that happen to you personally

1081
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,520
um but it appears that

1082
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,720
um the haunting that is happening there

1083
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:28,800
whatever it may be

1084
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,720
doesn't really have any boundaries

1085
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,280
no and you know having done episodes of

1086
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,559
ghost adventures uh paranormal state um

1087
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,240
paranormal challenge you go to a

1088
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,680
location usually that's like the big

1089
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,280
haunt in town and maybe there's a few

1090
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,359
little things that happen going into

1091
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,880
butte you can just sense it you got to

1092
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,040
realize this this place has got a bloody

1093
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,440
long history you know it was a mining

1094
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,280
town so there were tragedies that befell

1095
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,839
the miners plus all the black lung i'm

1096
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,440
sure they got from digging in these

1097
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,920
mines and ordering the the silver and

1098
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:02,400
copper from them and um

1099
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,520
the crime

1100
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,480
the law

1101
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,119
the process yeah prostitution

1102
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,280
uh you know it was just it was a crazy

1103
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,960
place and it was built on the blood

1104
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,559
sweat and tears of

1105
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,720
many many people not just the copper

1106
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,319
kings and the

1107
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:18,880
the names of fame um and i think that's

1108
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,760
why these spirits are so

1109
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,160
upended you know as as butte is trying

1110
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,400
to enter a new era and kind of clean up

1111
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,119
in in modernizing a lot of these places

1112
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,480
i think the spirits are fearful that

1113
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,760
they're just going to be forgotten about

1114
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,640
so

1115
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,319
with the refurbishing and all of that

1116
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,319
going on plus you know some other

1117
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,200
activity it it certainly lent itself to

1118
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,240
a bunch of very strange activity and

1119
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,480
we would go into one place and then you

1120
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,559
know neighbors would come over and hey

1121
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,200
we got something too you know and

1122
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,800
in episode two

1123
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,559
uh the cabbage patch

1124
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,119
uh episode i uh had

1125
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,319
something happen to me and

1126
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,240
let's come back to that well i was just

1127
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,839
gonna say when i was

1128
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:03,200
in the hospital

1129
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,000
yes

1130
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:06,160
doctors and nurses would come in

1131
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,359
and they're like hey are you one of

1132
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,640
those guys filming the ghost show and

1133
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,720
i'm like yeah and they all had stories

1134
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,200
they have to at the hospital from their

1135
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,880
homes their childhood homes their

1136
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,800
girlfriend or boyfriend's homes

1137
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,119
everybody has a story in butte it's

1138
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,079
crazy how active it is now um i'm going

1139
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,400
to talk about cindy cindy casa uh for a

1140
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,559
second uh she was the subject of one of

1141
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,359
my texts last night uh to dave

1142
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,800
and um she is so

1143
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,640
sensitive

1144
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,359
now i've talked to you uh we have talked

1145
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,559
about her uh many times she's just very

1146
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:42,160
very impressive

1147
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,040
um

1148
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,200
but when you go into

1149
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:47,119
again this isn't you know a singular

1150
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:48,559
thing we're talking about the entire

1151
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:49,440
town

1152
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,040
um how overwhelming how first off

1153
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,440
how did you find her and how great is

1154
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,640
she because

1155
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,880
to me she's just very impressive with

1156
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,240
her abilities

1157
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,839
so first of all i think synchronicity

1158
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,599
was at play she was the first one hired

1159
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,119
on the holzer files and then they

1160
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,040
brought me in and while we were doing

1161
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:08,640
our little uh they call it a chemistry

1162
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,680
test where they're you know we're

1163
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,599
sitting there talking on zoom and kind

1164
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,200
of going back and forth on ideas and

1165
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,440
thoughts we just got along and then i

1166
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:17,040
the the lady running it goes by the way

1167
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,400
dave for the paperwork i need to know

1168
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,760
your birthday and i said it's november

1169
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,000
22nd she's like oh my birthday's

1170
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:23,920
november 22nd so we had that kind of

1171
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,880
cool simpatico moment um and and i just

1172
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,079
took this in you know she's like a

1173
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,400
little sister to me i adore her she's

1174
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,040
amazingly talented

1175
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,920
and she can do so many different aspects

1176
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,240
of mediumship and and she displays them

1177
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,800
from spirit art to

1178
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,280
automatic writing to channeling which

1179
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,480
she really tries not to let happen uh to

1180
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,319
you know just straight up mediumship

1181
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,000
psychometry and everything so she's

1182
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,680
really really

1183
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,599
into it but coming into a place like

1184
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,920
butte it is rough because there's no

1185
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,599
real place you can go to just kind of

1186
00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:00,400
decompress so she was i don't want to

1187
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,599
say overwhelmed because it sounds like

1188
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,200
she's not in control but it is an

1189
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,079
overwhelming sense there and even for

1190
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,079
somebody like myself who's not a medium

1191
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,319
or sensitive you just go in you could

1192
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:13,119
feel the heaviness in a lot of

1193
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,839
i mean locations

1194
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:15,839
got 200 years of

1195
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,040
of stories in history uh piled on top of

1196
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,599
each other so she's just walking into

1197
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,000
one stephen king novel after another you

1198
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,640
know 600 pages yeah

1199
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,359
and and is it did uh

1200
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,359
is she able to handle it i mean on

1201
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,240
camera she does and and things but it's

1202
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,680
got to be at

1203
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,680
one point or another you know my heart

1204
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,960
rate is just like you know is it is it

1205
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,119
something that she can control

1206
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:45,119
when when yeah she does she has very

1207
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,400
good questions

1208
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,400
yeah she well she's trained her whole

1209
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,240
life for this and

1210
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,680
she knows what she's doing it doesn't

1211
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,480
mean there aren't times that she feels

1212
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,040
like whatever's there is a little too

1213
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,040
powerful and she as you saw you know in

1214
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,640
in i think two episodes of the holzer

1215
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:02,960
files she had to recuse herself of the

1216
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,319
moment and situation and in uh the most

1217
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,400
recent episode at the hennessey mansion

1218
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,960
of ghosts of devil's perch on travel

1219
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,119
channel and discovery plus every sunday

1220
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,960
she had to

1221
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,800
pull herself out because something there

1222
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,440
was very oppressive and dark and she

1223
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,280
didn't even want kd and i in there but i

1224
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,880
mean we're obviously we're there to help

1225
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,400
the city were there to help people and

1226
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,599
the spirits

1227
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,280
um so she understood this is something

1228
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,880
because of my position and what i'm

1229
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,760
doing it's overload and something is

1230
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:33,359
screwing with me so i've got to step out

1231
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,559
which is tough

1232
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,040
great for somebody who loves to be able

1233
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,599
to help she she had to take that step

1234
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,040
back and then

1235
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,990
i did our thing yeah yeah yeah i don't

1236
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,720
want to talk about katie uh next uh

1237
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,359
it appears to me that uh

1238
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,400
um

1239
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,319
sydney can have uh

1240
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,960
the mouth of a sailor at points

1241
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,680
and do you have to bleep her

1242
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,680
i'm only saying this because there are

1243
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:04,160
moments where she's like i'm not going

1244
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,040
in there

1245
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,040
right now that that

1246
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,280
that you know and yeah right

1247
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:10,319
yeah

1248
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,000
uh you know they say don't don't sense

1249
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,520
yourself be in the moment don't worry

1250
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:19,359
about because you know in holzer files

1251
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,480
i'd be like oh

1252
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,720
gosh and and it would stop that moment

1253
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,200
of excitement and they're like gosh

1254
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,559
and i'm like well i didn't want to say

1255
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,720
oh you know and they're like dude if

1256
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,160
that's what you're feeling say it we can

1257
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:32,319
beep it right all of a sudden you going

1258
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,520
oh

1259
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:36,240
gosh just looks ridiculous on tv

1260
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,960
so

1261
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:39,599
that was crazy and she's not often

1262
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,319
thrown by what what takes place so when

1263
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,480
she does it it's general you know

1264
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:45,760
genuinely

1265
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,880
a holy moment yes yeah yeah she's

1266
00:55:53,470 --> 00:55:51,599
amazing and now katie

1267
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,480
um again

1268
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,839
extremely impressive

1269
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,359
um

1270
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:59,520
you know i know he's been uh working on

1271
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,799
the series but what's it like uh to work

1272
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:05,440
with somebody uh that is as dedicated

1273
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,240
and

1274
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,880
he he makes that equipment hum you know

1275
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,119
he he really gets he really gets that

1276
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,440
stuff to be pretty effective

1277
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,599
i worked you know three months solid

1278
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,200
with katie i don't know much about him

1279
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,040
uh he's a very solitary guy you know

1280
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,520
he's an afghani and iraqi war vet

1281
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,839
and had to deal with a lot and it

1282
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,400
affects and impacts him and uh

1283
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,960
he is very solitary in a lot of ways and

1284
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,799
when he was there he was very focused on

1285
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:32,960
creating new technology or bettering the

1286
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,839
technology he had you know when holzer

1287
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,839
files was on shane and i spent a lot of

1288
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,079
down time together uh we were out

1289
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,920
exploring together we were doing stuff

1290
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,160
together kd was the kind of guy who just

1291
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:45,680
gets up at six o'clock in the morning

1292
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,799
and walks up my mountain just to go sit

1293
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,319
and watch the sun

1294
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,880
um but he'd do it on his own so i don't

1295
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,280
know much about kd which you know lends

1296
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,799
a kind of an error mystery to him as

1297
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,359
well uh and when he's working he's so

1298
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,119
hyper focused it's not like you can go

1299
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,680
down and carry on a a conversation and

1300
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,359
you know where

1301
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:06,880
during downtime i might be up with the

1302
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,440
crew watching football uh kd would

1303
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,960
literally come from the hotel and just

1304
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,720
go straight to the the bat cave and

1305
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,920
start working on

1306
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,240
whatever experiment he had going on and

1307
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,960
that was his his focus so i give him a

1308
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:20,480
lot of credit because he's hyper focused

1309
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,520
and i think that's why he gets such

1310
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:23,839
great results plus he is

1311
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,920
in in creating this equipment he is um

1312
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,680
bonding with it in a way i think that's

1313
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:31,599
you know almost like psychically bonding

1314
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,799
with it giving a way for what he's

1315
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,920
getting to be heard and shared

1316
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,559
with us so he gets you know and he sells

1317
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,240
that equipment as well so it's not like

1318
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,160
well how do we know you could buy the

1319
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,760
equipment and it works for you too you

1320
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:46,960
know so it's it's really kind of

1321
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,760
fascinating good guy stand-up guy

1322
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,480
um i just i i wish i had more stories to

1323
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,319
share we didn't you know we we i think

1324
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,839
had dinner twice together in three

1325
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,079
months uh you know that wasn't like a

1326
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,640
cast dinner at some little uh buffet

1327
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:03,200
table there um but it was just he's he's

1328
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:04,000
very

1329
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,599
yeah the um uh there were a couple of

1330
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,839
moments uh and we'll pick up on this

1331
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:13,599
when we come back

1332
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,799
but his reaction

1333
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:18,720
to the water faucet

1334
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,440
okay now here's here's the deal with

1335
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,680
that because i jumped out of my skin

1336
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,160
okay first off when that happened

1337
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,559
uh you and cindy are standing there you

1338
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,319
got your couple of camera people you're

1339
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,960
all packed in this bathroom um we all

1340
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,960
know how that is right and so guys are

1341
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,960
all packed in there and you guys are

1342
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:39,200
focused on something else

1343
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,640
and then

1344
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,440
that water faucet turned on on the back

1345
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:44,880
side of the room

1346
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,079
and it was kd that was closest to it saw

1347
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,960
it heard it and reacted

1348
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:52,079
and

1349
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,319
one thing but katie was

1350
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,400
you know what i mean he was right there

1351
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:00,640
and he really shocked him it just

1352
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:03,920
shocked you know for somebody that is so

1353
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,640
um how do i say this he's he's uh he

1354
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:07,839
comes off

1355
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,559
uh scientific pragmatic right he gives

1356
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,359
the right very pragmatic yeah and and he

1357
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,920
he he jumped man and then i jumped and

1358
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,960
then everybody jumped uh what did you

1359
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,799
make of his reaction

1360
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,240
it well you know there there are

1361
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,720
different things like cindy hears voices

1362
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,240
the ghosts speak to her all the time but

1363
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,160
when she hears an evp out loud it's

1364
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,400
unsettling to her when we hear direct

1365
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,880
voice phenomena or they're what's even

1366
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:35,119
scarier for her sometimes is that

1367
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,480
katie and i will be standing there and

1368
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,400
we hear something and she's like i

1369
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,079
didn't hear a thing what and we're like

1370
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,839
and we play it back and and the audio's

1371
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,160
there so it's like she's so psychically

1372
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,000
attuned she's not hearing with her ears

1373
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,720
she's hearing with her mind and and that

1374
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,440
and then kd is so scientifically based

1375
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,960
well the lights are flickering oh this

1376
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,319
is an old building i don't know if it's

1377
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,920
this so he's not as easy but when all of

1378
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,400
a sudden a water faucet just turns on in

1379
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,200
full full blast as we're standing there

1380
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,839
and nobody's near it that kind of defies

1381
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,760
the logic of

1382
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,520
of the moment and where we're at you

1383
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,359
can't just say

1384
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,799
what the hell how did that just turn on

1385
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,559
you know he can't bluff it away with

1386
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,119
well maybe it's an old light bulb maybe

1387
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,000
it's a bad setting this thing just

1388
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,640
turned on and started pouring water and

1389
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,000
right at the moment we kind of tried to

1390
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,000
give van zant

1391
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,680
clarity you know let it go and then we

1392
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,440
find out that uh

1393
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,920
you know the that james a murray

1394
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,520
actually once he was done with the

1395
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,119
bluebird mind that he stole from

1396
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,839
underneath van's aunt flooded it

1397
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:38,079
and then it's yeah you're like wow

1398
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,880
that's

1399
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,119
so many layers to what just took place

1400
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,040
so sometimes it's the stuff like that

1401
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:45,440
that i love the reactions and

1402
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,480
you know we're standing on the other

1403
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,160
side i got this laser light in front of

1404
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:50,079
me and the smoke and i'm like what is

1405
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,440
that i couldn't i couldn't tell what

1406
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,359
happened and he's like the water turned

1407
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:56,000
on and he's just genuinely shocked yeah

1408
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,799
yeah

1409
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,720
i was doing what you were doing i was

1410
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,640
looking at the lasers i'm looking at the

1411
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,799
smoke i'm looking at the show

1412
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,520
uh i'm hoping for somebody to come up

1413
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,520
right you know out of the smoke

1414
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:09,119
and and

1415
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,160
um yeah that was that was really you

1416
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,319
know what and that's one of like 50

1417
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,400
things in each episode

1418
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:20,079
um and that's not even the craziest

1419
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,359
thing that happened in that episode um

1420
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,599
let's circle back uh we'll pick up where

1421
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,200
we are leaving off right now going to

1422
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,559
take a quick break our guest tonight

1423
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,880
dave schroeder we're talking about his

1424
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:33,040
new series it's out right now

1425
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:35,839
the ghost of devil's perch it is on

1426
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travel channel and discovery plus

1427
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,119
three episodes out fourth episode this

1428
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:42,799
sunday we'll be right back more with

1429
01:01:53,470 --> 01:01:47,530
dave after this short break stay with us

1430
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,390
[Music]

1431
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:10,559
this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network

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your 1 million gigawatt paranormal

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seen me with my thunderstorm now you can

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thunderstorm uses oxy technology that

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naturally sends out o3 molecules into

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the air which seek out odors and air

1446
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pollutants in your home and destroys

1447
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them it's called a thunderstorm because

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it purifies the air just like after a

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thunderstorm and right now you can save

1450
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jimmy church click on it and get your

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1479
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damn it

1480
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jimmy church and fade to black on the

1481
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1482
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listen i know and you know that you've

1483
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,880
always wanted your first crystal skull

1484
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or maybe you're a collector just like me

1485
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but you just don't know where to go to

1486
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find the real thing

1487
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then i met carolyn ford over at

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1490
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1491
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1492
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1493
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1494
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1495
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1497
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1498
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1499
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1508
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,720
hi this is ray sobbs here repping the

1509
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:30,559
planet and you're listening to my good

1510
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,119
friend jimmy church fade to black

1511
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,359
this is toby kebble you're listening to

1512
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1513
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,400
don't hurt me jimmy i'm only little hey

1514
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:44,400
i'm adrienne grenier and this is ari

1515
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:53,910
we're the honey brothers

1516
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:56,160
and you're listening to jimmy church a

1517
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,760
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1518
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,440
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

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and you can become an official fate or

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not by just going to our membership

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1522
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:09,990
hello this is serena wright taylor from

1523
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,319
conscious life expo and you're listening

1524
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,720
to fade to black with jimmy church who

1525
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:17,039
holds the lucky pony record for the best

1526
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,640
astrological chart since 1963. true

1527
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,559
story

1528
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:24,160
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1529
01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:25,839
report and you're listening to jimmy

1530
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:44,240
[Music]

1531
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,920
welcome back fade to black i am your

1532
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,440
host jimmy church

1533
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:53,920
tonight dave schrader is with us

1534
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,960
and dave and i uh

1535
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:59,200
hosted coast to coast together uh for

1536
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:02,000
six years at the same time

1537
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:05,520
and it's great uh i think for not only

1538
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:07,119
the two of us to get together but this

1539
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:09,359
is this is technically

1540
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:11,359
host to host i've gotta say it i'm just

1541
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,799
gonna say it it's the elephant in the

1542
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:15,280
room and i'm gonna exploit that

1543
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:19,039
um it is host to host and it's uh

1544
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:22,240
it's amazing for me dave to to watch

1545
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:25,200
this series knowing you as well as i do

1546
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,760
and and to see this um unfold and man i

1547
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:31,280
i got to tell you you're in the right

1548
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:32,319
position

1549
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,440
but

1550
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,160
i want to this is my bucket list i've

1551
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,319
added something to my bucket list

1552
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,720
i want to be able to

1553
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,119
take a call from a sheriff

1554
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,000
get an address race across town run red

1555
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:48,799
lights in a 50 year old rv i want to be

1556
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,920
able to pull up and go okay

1557
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,280
we're going to do our baseline

1558
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,280
investigation yeah that's what i want to

1559
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,880
do i want to be able to say those words

1560
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,720
i want to be dave schrader we're going

1561
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,200
to do our baseline investigation we'll

1562
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:03,440
uh let you know tomorrow

1563
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,960
and uh

1564
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:06,559
you got to get you got the key right

1565
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,319
there you're manifesting i've done this

1566
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,079
since i was a child i used to practice

1567
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:12,000
my autograph so someday when i would be

1568
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,200
on tv

1569
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,119
i'd be ready to give autographs jimmy so

1570
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,359
now now you're finally catching up to me

1571
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,199
now now that you've set this intention

1572
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,520
you set this ball in motion it only took

1573
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,000
me 40 years to get there so in 40 years

1574
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,239
buddy you might be doing this now six

1575
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,239
months

1576
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,279
it's nice but um but but here's the

1577
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:34,319
thing um and let's focus on something

1578
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:37,520
that has got to be really cool for you

1579
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:40,159
you've got cindy and katie in your back

1580
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,600
pocket

1581
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:44,640
it's got to be pretty incredible to be

1582
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,319
working with these two that seem to be

1583
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,880
uh synchronous with the universe

1584
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,120
and i'm going to refer to

1585
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,960
something that happens in multiple

1586
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,440
episodes it's not just one thing

1587
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,199
um which is

1588
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,000
cindy who sits down with their freaking

1589
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:04,159
legal pad and breaks out the sharpie

1590
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,120
right

1591
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:06,400
and

1592
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:09,839
writing

1593
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:12,640
and and she's talking about what she's

1594
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,600
seeing and feeling and channeling in

1595
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:18,239
right okay and she's saying names

1596
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,719
she's giving events

1597
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:22,799
and speaking things out loud right to

1598
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:26,799
the camera at the same time

1599
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:30,880
kd is outside whatever walking around

1600
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:33,440
with his spirit box or you know his

1601
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,480
thing

1602
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:35,520
and

1603
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:40,239
questions stirring the pot

1604
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:44,080
and he's getting the same names

1605
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:45,679
and events

1606
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:48,560
outside while cindy is inside at the

1607
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:50,000
same time

1608
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,520
getting these

1609
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:53,600
same name you know these these things

1610
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,400
and it's

1611
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,040
and you have to as a viewer go okay now

1612
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,120
where's this going this is is this a

1613
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:01,760
coincidence is this a setup is this not

1614
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,960
real and if it's real this is freaky

1615
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:07,920
and then later whatever happens

1616
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,640
um a newspaper article somebody tells a

1617
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,159
story or this

1618
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,159
where you

1619
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:16,320
the three or four names are revealed

1620
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:20,320
with the event that kd and cindy

1621
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:23,679
did independently and suddenly

1622
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,719
it's all pieced together and for you

1623
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,159
that's got to be

1624
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,719
you know pretty amazing to to know that

1625
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,960
this is what is going on

1626
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:35,199
well it is but i you know

1627
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,800
they're the wonder twins and i'm just

1628
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,640
gleep the little monkeys so i kind of

1629
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,239
miss the fact that

1630
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,080
you know they can do these wonderous

1631
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,520
things and i'm just left to get knocked

1632
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,520
to the ground and and screamed at by

1633
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,440
ghosts i would much rather

1634
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,800
you know have have that connection

1635
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,560
although i do as you saw i get some

1636
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:51,920
wicked evp

1637
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,719
yeah

1638
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,560
or again

1639
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:56,400
you're you're getting ahead of your skis

1640
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,960
yeah i'm just i didn't say what but i

1641
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,440
you know we all have our little our our

1642
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:03,600
places but yeah those two work very well

1643
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,960
in tandem which really helps to

1644
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,199
corroborate each other's experience and

1645
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,880
then you know but then there are other

1646
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,640
times when we're all off and we're all

1647
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,080
picking up different aspects and

1648
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,800
elements of a story that tie together so

1649
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,120
it's it's interesting how it plays out

1650
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,199
and i give a lot of credit because

1651
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,520
you know we just did a on tuesday nights

1652
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:24,000
i do my podcast the paranormal 60 and i

1653
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,080
do a recap episode of the week for the

1654
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:30,239
last episode of of um

1655
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,560
ghost of devil's perch and then we'll

1656
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,080
give you a sneak peek of the next week's

1657
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,080
episode and i just had brian peterson

1658
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,400
one of our show runners or directors on

1659
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,159
this episode and i'm like how do you do

1660
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,480
it how do you stand with us filming 12

1661
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,719
to 15 hours a day for five days a week

1662
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,120
and then put it into a 42 minute format

1663
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,760
that makes sense and follows a through

1664
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,040
narrative because

1665
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:53,360
it's all there

1666
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:56,000
it's just it's so big and overwhelming

1667
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,920
while we're filming it i i can't see it

1668
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,040
and he said yeah you got to have your

1669
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,040
editor and director's hat on and you're

1670
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,800
like oh my god this moment is crazy so

1671
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:05,040
he'll jot it down and then that tied in

1672
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:06,400
with what we know about that and then

1673
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,600
the next day when we're talking to the

1674
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:09,360
historian and gives us that boom okay

1675
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:12,239
that matches that so he kind of is

1676
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,520
working 14 rubik's cubes at once

1677
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,600
to put together one giant cube that

1678
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,120
makes sense and i give them a lot of

1679
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,040
credit because that's that's a lot of

1680
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:23,199
tough work but um

1681
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:24,960
it's it's fascinating to just sit back

1682
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,880
and watch the process so i don't worry

1683
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,800
about what i can and can't do i focus on

1684
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,040
the history i focus on hopefully making

1685
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,600
a connection with the experiencers in my

1686
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,000
interview process uh putting them at

1687
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,800
ease even when i'm not at times trying

1688
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,560
to make them comfortable in their home

1689
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,880
or their business or work environment

1690
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,600
and then then we do our other work so we

1691
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:47,920
all come in at it in different ways to

1692
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,120
try to uh yield the best response and

1693
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,440
help the spirits help the living and try

1694
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,280
to heal butte

1695
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,520
how um

1696
01:13:02,950 --> 01:12:59,280
when this when this

1697
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,960
synchronicity is going down uh between

1698
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,440
uh cindy and kd

1699
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,640
um

1700
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:08,640
how does that

1701
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,350
again

1702
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:17,600
i'm baffled by how the whole process

1703
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,480
works

1704
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:21,040
because cindy's picking up and she's

1705
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,719
she's like i said we're throwing her in

1706
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,199
the middle of a stephen king novel right

1707
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,600
600 pages deep each page is a different

1708
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:30,239
year in history uh or a different day in

1709
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,239
history and she's got to sift through

1710
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:34,320
them to what spirit is speaking the

1711
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:38,000
loudest and you know kd's remaining open

1712
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,960
and just

1713
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,520
asking base questions and the box is

1714
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:44,000
giving him the response or the piece of

1715
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,440
equipment

1716
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,000
is giving us a visual of what he's able

1717
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,840
to see so it's it's kind of

1718
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,520
multi-layered in the way this thing

1719
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,199
takes place i'm always astounded by it

1720
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:55,440
but you know here's a funny thing jimmy

1721
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,719
we we talk after these moments

1722
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,400
but none of us have seen all the pieces

1723
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:02,080
i haven't seen what katie actually

1724
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,920
caught or what cindy was picking up on

1725
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,239
until we watched the final episode i

1726
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,159
know from what they're saying but they

1727
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:10,640
will download me you know with

1728
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,199
three hours worth of information kd will

1729
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:15,120
download me with three hours of what his

1730
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,640
experience was like i'll download them

1731
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,800
with what my experience was like but

1732
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:20,800
none of us know until that episode airs

1733
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:23,679
on sunday what the final result is how

1734
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:24,880
they were able to pair it together and

1735
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,199
put all of our stories into one cohesive

1736
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,840
tale so um it's it's exciting for me

1737
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,199
because like you guys i get to watch

1738
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,640
along and be like

1739
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:35,040
oh my god he's getting at that oh my god

1740
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,560
writing and and then when you're

1741
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,080
watching it and i know what happened to

1742
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,560
me in one episode and then he's asking a

1743
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,480
question and my name comes out of the

1744
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:44,960
spirit box right

1745
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:47,199
that's crazy you know that's just those

1746
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:48,320
are the kind of moments that it's like

1747
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,440
this is fascinating to me how this all

1748
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:53,760
lines up and works together

1749
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,640
uh

1750
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,520
katie over in the uk just dropped five

1751
01:15:02,070 --> 01:14:59,360
pounds

1752
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:02,080
british sterling to let you know that

1753
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:04,239
you're you're a legend

1754
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,840
so there you go

1755
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,360
it's right there thank you teddy i just

1756
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,840
met katie out at bobby mackey's she was

1757
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:11,840
out of bobby mackey's music world for uh

1758
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,560
the

1759
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,120
g crew meeting with nick roff and chad

1760
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,520
lindbergh and and uh

1761
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,840
uh josh heard myself shane pittman we

1762
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:21,280
were all on hand to kind of do a fun

1763
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,239
little

1764
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:23,760
meet and greet so katie came all the way

1765
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:26,080
from the uk for like three days to be a

1766
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,920
part of this event so katie great to

1767
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,199
meet you and thank you for the love and

1768
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,280
support and watching us over in the uk

1769
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,120
if you are listening or watching this

1770
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,520
podcast we're on the really channel

1771
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,920
and we're on discovery plus uk we're now

1772
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,159
in canada on detour

1773
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:42,640
and uh soon i believe we will be in

1774
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:46,239
australia in october um and uh different

1775
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,520
different networks around the world are

1776
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:49,120
picking us up so hopefully all of you

1777
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,640
will get a chance to watch this at some

1778
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,600
point

1779
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:53,280
now uh

1780
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,159
uh

1781
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:56,719
let me um

1782
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,840
there's so many things that uh i i want

1783
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:02,080
to bring up i'm just trying to hold back

1784
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,600
but there's things

1785
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,679
but i i there's things that i just can't

1786
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:07,600
let go okay

1787
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:10,159
you brought up the evps

1788
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,760
now um i've done my evp sessions it's

1789
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,199
fun to do

1790
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:17,920
um i think that uh

1791
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:19,760
the first time

1792
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:22,159
you play you know you do an evp and

1793
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,600
you're playing it back in the recorder

1794
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:25,199
and you hear something for the first

1795
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,239
time

1796
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:28,480
it's a pretty freaky experience right

1797
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,280
yeah because there's nothing going on

1798
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,440
right you know that you're here

1799
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,120
you're the one doing it

1800
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:37,360
and then when you hear it come back

1801
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:41,280
that is uh a bizarre experience

1802
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,560
and i've done many evp shows like you

1803
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:45,679
have

1804
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:50,719
the evps and the ghost of devil's perch

1805
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,960
may be the best i've ever heard and i've

1806
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:55,600
heard a lot and so have you

1807
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,719
what's going on here

1808
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:01,120
you know i i'm a firm believer i won't

1809
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,280
turn in evp i get a lot more evp than

1810
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,440
what you hear on the episode but if it's

1811
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,120
not really clear to me

1812
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,960
i don't mess with it you know like a lot

1813
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,560
of guys will take it they dump it into a

1814
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:12,400
system they go and they clean it and

1815
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:13,840
they take out the pop and they take out

1816
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,870
manufactured right when it's done

1817
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:22,560
i just figure if i play it back and i

1818
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:25,920
can hear it that's good and if i get

1819
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,080
i mean i'll still maybe play it or if i

1820
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,880
get a scream you don't need words to

1821
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,600
understand what just happened but

1822
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,280
if i can't truthfully make it out and

1823
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,960
sometimes it takes a few you know when i

1824
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,719
film the episode the

1825
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,320
of holzer files

1826
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,800
don't send them to heaven

1827
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,199
it was my evp that ended up naming that

1828
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:47,199
episode because we're up in this attic

1829
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:48,000
and

1830
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,480
this commotion on the other side of the

1831
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,080
attic and my camera guy and i are the

1832
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,400
only two up there so we go over into

1833
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,960
that side i turn on my recorder

1834
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,719
and then i start talking

1835
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:03,040
and um i'm like you know you're not

1836
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:04,480
going to scare me out of here blah blah

1837
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:06,000
blah and i play it back

1838
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,360
and there's

1839
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,480
i was there

1840
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,880
and i'm like wait a minute what and i'm

1841
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,640
queuing it up and listening and all of a

1842
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,400
sudden very clearly it just snaps in and

1843
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:16,000
you can hear it go

1844
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,400
stop don't send them to heaven

1845
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,159
and i held it up to the camera guy and

1846
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,239
when it played that loud one and i was

1847
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:24,320
holding it real close to my microphone

1848
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,239
his eyes sprung open and i go did you

1849
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,840
hear that he starts nodding and we hold

1850
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:29,760
it up to the camera and play it again

1851
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:31,600
and you hear that stop don't send them

1852
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:34,880
to heaven and it was like holy crap so i

1853
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:37,040
like when we can get those and i think

1854
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,640
you know i talk a lot about bonding with

1855
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:40,960
your equipment um

1856
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,760
i i find one or two pieces i really like

1857
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,600
and i use them and use them and use them

1858
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,120
and use them and i think you start to

1859
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:48,960
create a psychic link

1860
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,960
with some of your own equipment because

1861
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,719
i could take that same recorder hand it

1862
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,040
to jimmy church and you could push play

1863
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,280
and record and ask a question and we get

1864
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,120
nothing and then you hand it back to me

1865
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,280
and i push the same record button and i

1866
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:03,679
ask three questions and i get a response

1867
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,360
i think you just start to bond with this

1868
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,960
stuff which is what kd does with his

1869
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,280
equipment what cindy does with her gifts

1870
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:11,199
so it's just a different way of showing

1871
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:13,120
mediumship you know i'm doing electronic

1872
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:16,560
mediumship with the evp kd is doing it

1873
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,920
in a bigger form with all the different

1874
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:19,520
equipment he creates and sydney's doing

1875
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:21,199
it through

1876
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,960
clairvoyance clear audience clear

1877
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,040
sentience and just kind of leaning into

1878
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,880
the psychic realm

1879
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,760
now

1880
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,480
uh can we both agree

1881
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:32,159
that that

1882
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:33,440
herb

1883
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,920
evp is absolutely ridiculously great

1884
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:39,199
yes

1885
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,040
yeah uh well and here's the thing

1886
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,120
because again

1887
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,520
you listen to an evp and you think you

1888
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,679
hear it and it was so clear i you know i

1889
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,520
get that evp and for those people that

1890
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,600
don't know were in the um

1891
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:54,000
the hennessey mansion and there was this

1892
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:55,920
guy named there was a guy that lived

1893
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,400
there at one point uh who was hearing

1894
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,480
voices and it pushed him to go out and

1895
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,760
attempt murder

1896
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:03,440
um but there was other weird things that

1897
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:05,040
had happened and we'd play back this evp

1898
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:06,639
and it very clearly sounded like it said

1899
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:08,960
i got her i'll get you too

1900
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:10,960
and then the next one is enough that's

1901
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,360
crazy oh yeah and it was that clear you

1902
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,600
just hear this voice kind of grumbling i

1903
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:17,600
got her i'll get you too

1904
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,000
and we're all kind of stunned again

1905
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:22,239
you can see it in cindy's face she's not

1906
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,440
an actress

1907
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,600
and when she gets genuinely shocked you

1908
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:28,080
can't hide it on her expression

1909
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,679
and then when we go the next day and

1910
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,600
then find out about herb

1911
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:34,000
sargent this man that lived there for a

1912
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:36,080
time complained about hearing voices

1913
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,000
lived in room number seven there had

1914
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,239
been a murder in room number seven he

1915
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:42,320
ends up going nuts and going out to a

1916
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,080
porn shop to shoot it up and kill the

1917
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:47,040
guy ends up in the tussle just shooting

1918
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:48,480
the guy in the shoulder and gets out but

1919
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,560
he gets arrested

1920
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,400
crazy story and then i

1921
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,400
it clicks with me i'm like oh my god

1922
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,960
this voice isn't saying i got her and

1923
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,159
you play it back and as soon as you

1924
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,560
listen you can hear i got herb i'll get

1925
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,600
you to get you too this thing was was

1926
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:05,840
mocking us it's like if i can mess with

1927
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:08,080
him and push him to the end you just

1928
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:11,360
keep coming and that was chilling now

1929
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:13,920
for the audience uh the way that this

1930
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:20,629
this isn't uh

1931
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:22,880
no need for a spoiler alert here or

1932
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:25,679
anything i'm just speaking in context

1933
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,719
but the way that that scene goes down

1934
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,480
dave i'm speaking to the audience right

1935
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,560
now dave has got his recorder he's doing

1936
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,719
the evp question and answer you know and

1937
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:35,840
pausing

1938
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:38,080
and then immediately playing back and

1939
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:40,960
you're listening to it next to your

1940
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,560
um ear that evp

1941
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:47,120
as loud as i

1942
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,880
think it was

1943
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:50,159
yeah

1944
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,199
was that loud and clear now

1945
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,360
when you hear in the replay when we do

1946
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:58,960
the um

1947
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:01,840
the next day because the dvr

1948
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,080
or i'm sorry the dr-60 does not have a

1949
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,159
chip you can take out and plug in and

1950
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:08,400
download the sound and it doesn't have a

1951
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,639
cord that you can transfer it's got one

1952
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:12,719
of those micro mini cords and when you

1953
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,000
plug it in and plug it into another

1954
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:16,719
recorder it literally loses all the

1955
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,360
fidelity and quality it it comes through

1956
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,920
like crap so what i do is

1957
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,520
i take the recorder and i hold it up to

1958
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:25,199
my phone

1959
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:26,719
i use the voice recorder on the phone

1960
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,120
and i push record and then i push play

1961
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:31,120
so that way i'm getting it as clear as i

1962
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:33,280
can from from the speaker directly off

1963
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,600
of the dr-60 directly into my high

1964
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:37,920
functioning mic microphone on my phone

1965
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:39,679
and then i can boost the volume and it

1966
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,239
doesn't blow out as bad um so that

1967
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:44,320
that's usually you'll hear the final

1968
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,360
version

1969
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:47,040
they'll plug that in so that you don't

1970
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,239
hear the

1971
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,040
you know quieter version coming from the

1972
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,120
dr-60 whose speaker's about the size of

1973
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:54,800
a nickel

1974
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,719
they'll play the cleaner version not

1975
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:58,560
that i've cleaned it up but i mean the

1976
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,639
bolder version that i've recorded onto

1977
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:02,800
my phone but it's all the same audio

1978
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,480
it's the same thing it's just trying to

1979
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,800
take it from the little recorder and

1980
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:08,639
making sure that you can hear it and

1981
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:12,960
expand on it now as far as evp goes uh

1982
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,800
evps plural i'm putting that at the top

1983
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:19,280
i'm putting that at the top tier

1984
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,960
of things that i've heard in the past

1985
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:23,440
it's it's right there dave that that was

1986
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,000
remarkable remarkable

1987
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:28,560
um it's not uh and i hope that you

1988
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:31,440
regard it the same way too because that

1989
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,040
oh man

1990
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,280
but it's not the only time that this

1991
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:37,280
happens in the show

1992
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,960
um your evps now there may be

1993
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,480
ones that i haven't heard

1994
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:45,280
but the ones in the show uh their

1995
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,480
clarity

1996
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:49,360
and the speed of the

1997
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:52,320
um the answer right there

1998
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:53,360
sure

1999
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:55,520
the response the answer is it's it's

2000
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,239
it's incredible man is is that butte or

2001
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,320
is that dave schrader

2002
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,600
can you do that everywhere

2003
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,840
i've tried i've you know here's a funny

2004
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,840
story and i think i gave you the audio

2005
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,000
a year or two ago um when i was talking

2006
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,440
about my dr-60 i got the dr-60 from a

2007
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,120
friend who was no longer into ghost

2008
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,600
hunting and it's she was willing to just

2009
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,120
let me use it as long as i'm going to be

2010
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,280
doing tv she's like do it and then when

2011
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,840
you're done doing tv send it back to me

2012
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,040
um

2013
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:26,960
very lovely friend of mine and she sends

2014
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,960
me this and i i've read up all the

2015
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,960
problems all of what people say it's

2016
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:32,880
really doing which is it's not shielded

2017
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:36,000
properly so you're getting um

2018
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,600
you're what not what sort of money were

2019
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:39,760
you getting straight radio frequency yes

2020
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,800
and then

2021
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:42,320
then they're saying

2022
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:43,840
it's it's also just picking up the

2023
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,600
recording of the internal well it's not

2024
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,920
an old analog recorder there's nothing

2025
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,840
going

2026
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,760
that would be picked up so it makes no

2027
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,679
sense so i figure i'm in a brand new

2028
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,840
hotel

2029
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,840
not known to be haunted and this was in

2030
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,760
philadelphia or something and i

2031
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,520
i get the recorder and i'm in my hotel

2032
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:03,280
room and the hotel literally just opened

2033
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,159
like three months ago so i hit record

2034
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:08,880
and i'm like hi my name is dave

2035
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,840
you know is there anybody here that

2036
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,280
would like to communicate and i rewind

2037
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,639
it and play it back

2038
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:15,199
and i i go hi my name is dave and you

2039
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,760
hear this voice go hi dave

2040
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,000
and i was like what

2041
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:22,400
and i call shane down to my room

2042
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:23,840
and i go you got to hear this and he

2043
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,280
gives me this look when i play it back

2044
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:28,000
he goes record another one

2045
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,840
and i'm like are you questioning me he

2046
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,120
goes dude

2047
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,960
that's there's no way that's real i go

2048
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,280
okay so i in front of him i go all right

2049
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:37,360
i heard you say my name can you say my

2050
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,960
name again can you say dave and i play

2051
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:43,199
it back for him and you hear me say

2052
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,880
can you say my name can you say dave and

2053
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,520
you just hear the single

2054
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,360
and it starts laughing at me

2055
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,760
and shane's like what the hell i'm not

2056
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,280
staying in your room and he's down the

2057
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:55,520
hall so we were just having those

2058
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,440
moments um

2059
01:26:02,470 --> 01:25:59,840
it's it's crazy and we get these great

2060
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,480
evp from it so i don't know what it is

2061
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,639
about it and people have tried to take

2062
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,719
it apart to look at it and you can

2063
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,960
rebuild a recorder to have the exact

2064
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:10,480
same specifics but you don't know what

2065
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:11,280
the

2066
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:17,840
what makes it so sensitive

2067
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,560
to the the ability to record on it but

2068
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,400
i'm i'm just excited to have it and i'll

2069
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:24,159
use it but like i said i do get a lot of

2070
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:25,120
evp

2071
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:26,639
that we don't show on the episode

2072
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:27,760
because it's

2073
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,639
b or c level and you might hear

2074
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,080
something but

2075
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,159
it's pretty speculative i i want to be

2076
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,719
able to hear in that one right i got her

2077
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:38,320
but i'll get you too that there's no

2078
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,760
denying what the hell that is that would

2079
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,000
be crazy let's play that right and i've

2080
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:44,080
always been to the mind other shows can

2081
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,070
tell you what it says and you can listen

2082
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,760
to it and go i don't hear that but i

2083
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:52,880
hear something

2084
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,440
you're interpreting and you're also

2085
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,360
getting a suggestion

2086
01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:00,080
and so therefore you know you're gonna

2087
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:01,199
hear what

2088
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:04,800
has been suggested to you not in that ep

2089
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,360
no no you can't make it be something

2090
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:09,920
else uh rick roberts uh just dropped

2091
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,400
five bucks because he said

2092
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:16,709
he never called devil's merch what is

2093
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,960
devil's perch and you know what dave

2094
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,280
rick is right dave

2095
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,840
why what is devil's prayer why why the

2096
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,760
name devil's perch

2097
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,120
uh the devil's perch is kind of a

2098
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:29,040
throwaway line in a book talking about

2099
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:32,400
butte because uh the miners dug so deep

2100
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,239
that they dug past hell was kind of the

2101
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,920
concept that they dug so deep that the

2102
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:37,600
devil had to sit on a perch to watch

2103
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,639
them work

2104
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,360
um there's also kind of uh history

2105
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,320
around the concept that um

2106
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:46,880
devil's perches are near brothels and

2107
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,120
half of butte at the time was brothels

2108
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:51,600
like literally there were blocks

2109
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:54,719
of brothels that were working 24-hour

2110
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,760
shifts

2111
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:57,600
every pay version you could find from

2112
01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:59,600
the upper floor

2113
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:02,159
high tier julia roberts hookers to the

2114
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:04,000
lower basement floor where the women

2115
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:05,199
look like me

2116
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:07,520
so you know all in between so there was

2117
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:10,159
some there was an affordable uh fund for

2118
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,080
whoever came in there and those ran

2119
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:14,480
24-hour shifts just like the miners did

2120
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,280
so

2121
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,280
the devil's perch is kind of the devil's

2122
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:19,440
overlooking all this vice and

2123
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,560
pornography and sex and gambling and

2124
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,400
violence and greed

2125
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:26,000
so that's that's kind of the two

2126
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:27,760
different variations of why it's called

2127
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,679
the devil's perch and lord love him i

2128
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,679
love ian punnett when he had me on coast

2129
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,840
to coast a couple weeks ago he goes i

2130
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,840
gotta ask you what a fascinating name

2131
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,920
the ghosts on the devil's porch where

2132
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,760
does that come from and i'm like well i

2133
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,520
have to correct you it's the ghosts of

2134
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,440
devil's perch he goes well that's even

2135
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,080
better where did that come from so

2136
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:49,120
and uh it's so it's it's it's it's kind

2137
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:51,920
of like a nickname uh for butte

2138
01:28:56,350 --> 01:28:54,639
um but i think i think they avoided it

2139
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,360
because

2140
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,560
b-u-t-t-e people they didn't want to be

2141
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:00,719
in like ghosts of morgan city that's a

2142
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:03,440
cool name ghosts of shepherdstown's cool

2143
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:06,320
name ghosts of but montana i think is

2144
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,360
what they thought people were going to

2145
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,360
look at it as and make fun of it so they

2146
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:11,199
went with the throwaway line of ghosts

2147
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:13,920
of devil's perch i like it because i

2148
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:15,920
think that the reason holzer files

2149
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:18,639
didn't take off as quick as it did um

2150
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:20,000
and i think we'd still be on the air if

2151
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:21,520
they would have called it holzer's ghost

2152
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:24,000
files uh because viewers are quick in

2153
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,440
their quick selection man and if they

2154
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,639
don't if you can't tell them in the

2155
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:28,080
title what it is

2156
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:29,840
they don't watch

2157
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:32,320
so people found us and it grew slowly

2158
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:33,840
but not enough to keep us on the air for

2159
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,280
holzer files with this show ghosts of

2160
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:38,880
devil's perch if you can't figure out

2161
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:40,960
this is a paranormal show in the title

2162
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:44,000
i'm quitting tv yeah yeah yeah

2163
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,840
a great name for a bar

2164
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,520
if i'm in

2165
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,920
my bar it's called devil's perch

2166
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:51,679
yeah let's do it let's open one up let's

2167
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,880
do i'm serious too as well i am too yeah

2168
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,400
i already know the building i'll send

2169
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,719
you the link tomorrow man that whole

2170
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:00,159
place is on it

2171
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,560
it uh okay so when we come back um

2172
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,560
we could probably do a little bit of a

2173
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:08,159
setup but

2174
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,159
um i truly uh i want to discuss you uh

2175
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:14,960
being taken down you go to the ground

2176
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:15,840
and

2177
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,800
you to set it up okay all right because

2178
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:22,320
you think you're the host of this show

2179
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:23,760
it's still my show

2180
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,800
and and i am in control dave but but

2181
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:28,320
it's nice that you think that jimmy but

2182
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:31,920
go ahead when when you went down

2183
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:34,560
and i said to myself

2184
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:36,800
did dave just go down

2185
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:39,840
and i'm watching cindy's reaction

2186
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:42,800
and and you're a grown man right and for

2187
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:44,880
you to be in that position

2188
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:48,080
and what is happening i freaked out and

2189
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,440
it was

2190
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:51,920
you're not nobody wants to do that you

2191
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:54,480
don't do that voluntarily that's not fun

2192
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,719
and it's not cool and it's not funny

2193
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,159
either

2194
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,400
but when that went down i knew that it

2195
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,719
was something serious

2196
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:05,040
so what happened to everybody and

2197
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:06,560
everything else well dave's with us

2198
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:07,920
tonight

2199
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,639
so

2200
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he recovered

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but

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01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,360
it was a very very serious moment on the

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01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:15,120
show so we're going to discuss that when

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01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:17,120
we come back after this short break i

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guess tonight the one and only dave

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schrader we're talking about his new

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the ghosts of devil's perch i just got a

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text him from scott walter he says hi so

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there you go you got that going for you

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you've got the guy yeah me too you've

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got the minnesota connection coming in

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this is fade to black

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i'm yours jimmy church tonight dave

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schroeder we'll be right back after this

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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hi

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i'm rhys evans you're listening to jimmy

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church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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on radio

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welcome back fade to black i'm here with

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jimmy church tonight dave schrader is

2341
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,199
with us

2342
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:01,840
we're talking about uh the new series

2343
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,400
that uh he's in it's called the ghosts

2344
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,159
of devil's perch

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01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:08,320
it's on uh travel channel and uh

2346
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discovery plus the first three episodes

2347
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,119
are out now new episodes on on sundays

2348
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,600
and i'm really looking forward to uh

2349
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:19,760
episode four but

2350
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:21,360
before the break

2351
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:23,520
we're talking about uh when he went down

2352
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,400
uh dave it was a very serious moment i

2353
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,080
like to you know crack jokes and stuff

2354
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:30,560
but this this was uh this is a pretty

2355
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:32,159
serious moment

2356
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:36,800
um take us through that and uh what

2357
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:40,400
uh what happened what did you feel

2358
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,639
all right well in the second episode in

2359
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:45,040
the cabbage patch uh which was this

2360
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:47,199
former shanty town there's just a small

2361
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:49,119
segment of it that they've kept

2362
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,119
for historic sake for for the purpose of

2363
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:52,480
being able to show people a little piece

2364
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:53,840
of their history

2365
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,800
um and they do a gathering there once a

2366
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,239
year with all the high school students

2367
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,480
to teach them about this part of history

2368
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:02,560
which i think is phenomenal and i love

2369
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,199
chris fisk as you've seen our historian

2370
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,080
love that guy he is the town historian

2371
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:10,880
loves the paranormal loves history loves

2372
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:13,119
getting it right so

2373
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:14,400
i don't know about you jimmy but when i

2374
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:15,840
went to high school the history club was

2375
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:18,560
like eight guys and maybe two girls and

2376
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,960
that was it this guy gets over 100 150

2377
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,560
kids that sign up for the history club

2378
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,800
yeah so and they go out and they learn

2379
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,400
and he would take him there well a

2380
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:28,480
couple nights before this this event

2381
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:29,840
that they were going to do this big

2382
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:33,280
overnight um mackenzie co one of his uh

2383
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:35,360
associates was there getting the place

2384
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:38,239
ready for it and something paranormal

2385
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:39,520
happened and i don't want to again i

2386
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,760
won't give that aspect away so our team

2387
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:43,840
gets called in because mackenzie's

2388
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,239
terrified uh of of what just happened

2389
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,800
and we go flying in there and

2390
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:51,040
get there with with fisk and mackenzie

2391
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:52,639
and we're talking we get them to go home

2392
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:54,480
we're like fist get her out of here

2393
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:56,239
let her calm down we're gonna do a quick

2394
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:58,239
baseline katie wanted to run some

2395
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:59,679
equipment

2396
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,800
cindy

2397
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:02,000
was gonna do her deal and i was just

2398
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,760
there to kind of document it and watch

2399
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,119
and take notes

2400
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,360
and when we were doing part of this she

2401
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:09,360
started to tap into something

2402
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,320
and i i felt great all day no problems

2403
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,400
nothing i'm standing in there and i'm

2404
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:16,639
feeling fine and all of a sudden jimmy i

2405
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,600
thought

2406
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:19,280
that either i was i just had a

2407
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:20,960
full-blown heart attack or like my

2408
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,600
appendix ruptured it felt like a bolt of

2409
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:25,360
lightning hit me right in the solar

2410
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:28,159
plexus boom hit and i i went straight

2411
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:29,520
down to my knees

2412
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,400
and i'm

2413
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:32,880
i'm not the most agile of human beings

2414
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:34,719
so to drop and hit my knees was bad

2415
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:36,239
enough but i hit the knees and i could

2416
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,679
feel the pain go straight through my

2417
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:38,639
back

2418
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,719
and i was screaming i thought i thought

2419
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:42,480
oh my god i'm gonna die on tv i'm gonna

2420
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:44,320
die while they're filming the stupid tv

2421
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:46,080
show and i'm gonna be one of the ghosts

2422
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:47,440
of the cabbage patch this is all run

2423
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:48,639
through my head

2424
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,920
and what's funny when you talk about

2425
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:52,000
cindy swearing like a sailor i wish we

2426
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:55,119
had that un abridged audio because

2427
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:57,040
she's like dave oh my god what's wrong

2428
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,239
and then it's like 15 20 seconds of just

2429
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,560
every iteration of f word you could

2430
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,639
imagine because she was so freaked out

2431
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,920
and worried about me and wanting

2432
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,440
somebody to run and get the f and this

2433
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,199
and get one of those f and those and get

2434
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,360
him to the f in hospital and it was just

2435
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:13,600
i i heard it all on my recorder the next

2436
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:15,040
day because when i got hit i dropped the

2437
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,119
recorder and hit the ground hard

2438
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,920
she um they got me out i got a breath of

2439
01:41:22,950 --> 01:41:21,600
fresh air started to feel it loosen up a

2440
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:22,960
little bit and then i started to worry

2441
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:24,800
because i've heard that when an appendix

2442
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:27,840
ruptures it's severe lancing pain and

2443
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:29,679
then nothing and that means the poison

2444
01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:32,960
is in your system right dying but you

2445
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,760
said something in the moment um

2446
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:37,679
you screamed

2447
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:39,280
something popped

2448
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:40,080
right

2449
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:43,360
and uh what what did you feel but

2450
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:45,440
i take that as a genuine at that moment

2451
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,040
that's that's all that came you know

2452
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,440
that's what you said oh yeah i cared

2453
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:51,119
nothing about the moment i didn't care

2454
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:53,600
about the ghosts or the investigation

2455
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,960
it felt like something

2456
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:56,880
popped like something exploded that's

2457
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,400
why i thought it was an appendicitis or

2458
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:00,800
maybe even my heart just

2459
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,239
going crazy and uh i was terrified i

2460
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,239
thought i really did honestly think i

2461
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:08,080
was dying and then as i went outside and

2462
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,840
got some fresh air and i'm starting to

2463
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:11,520
cool down

2464
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,119
the ambulance is there the police are

2465
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:15,199
talking to me and you know again cindy

2466
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,719
uh was a big help she you know came down

2467
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:20,239
and kind of calmed me down and and i'm

2468
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,440
like i don't want to go to the hospital

2469
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:24,239
kovid's rampant and these hospitals in

2470
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,280
in

2471
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,440
montana at that time were overrun

2472
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,840
and she goes you might be dying stop

2473
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:32,159
being an idiot get in that damn

2474
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,600
ambulance so i've gotten the damn

2475
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:35,440
ambulance and off i went to the hospital

2476
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:37,360
and i stayed there until like five

2477
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,880
o'clock in the morning they ran every

2478
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,560
test they possibly could on me and

2479
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:42,000
couldn't find anything physically wrong

2480
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,679
as a matter of fact they're like a guy

2481
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,840
your age your weight we expected it to

2482
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:47,040
look like a mess

2483
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:48,320
your numbers are all perfect you're

2484
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,760
right where you need to be in just about

2485
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,800
everything

2486
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:52,400
one little thing was elevated and that

2487
01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:54,400
was it they couldn't figure it out but

2488
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:55,840
like i said then i had a steady stream

2489
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:57,119
of doctors and nurses coming into my

2490
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,719
room to tell me ghost stories which was

2491
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,320
right right right

2492
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,800
that's a bonus but and and then when i

2493
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:04,639
left i got very emotional about it

2494
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,400
because it was like

2495
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:08,159
well crap if there's nothing physically

2496
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:11,360
wrong with me what just happened

2497
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:14,560
and anything uh since then are are you

2498
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:16,000
okay

2499
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:17,840
yeah uh and i you know i gotta tell you

2500
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:20,000
it's really sweet um you know i know

2501
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:22,320
people know this is tv and that this

2502
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:24,080
didn't just happen like they're not

2503
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,719
watching it like cops live right

2504
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,560
but i had messages pouring in and

2505
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:30,080
they're like oh my god dave are you okay

2506
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,520
now are you still in the hospital and

2507
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:34,080
i'm like honey i i filmed this series

2508
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:36,480
almost a year ago i'm fine now i spent a

2509
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:37,679
night in the hospital and they sent me

2510
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,199
home but it was just so sweet because

2511
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,960
the concern was so overwhelming on

2512
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:42,960
everybody to make sure i was okay that i

2513
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:45,760
had thousands of messages on twitter and

2514
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:48,560
facebook and uh instagram and coming

2515
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:50,960
into my phone even my daughter you know

2516
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:53,199
dad are you okay and i'm like honey

2517
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:54,560
you know i'm okay i've seen you four

2518
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,080
times since i've been home

2519
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:58,560
i i felt that for about two to three

2520
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:00,320
days it was like a massive muscle had

2521
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,719
pulled from my front to my back

2522
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:04,480
that was it and then it just kind of let

2523
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,159
go now when i watched the episode i

2524
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:08,400
could almost feel that pain again

2525
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:11,199
right like a phantom like a ptsd phantom

2526
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:14,480
memory yeah um

2527
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:15,760
that's weird

2528
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,600
and um

2529
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,639
here's the obvious uh dave

2530
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:22,000
was this

2531
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:27,679
think it was a paranormal experience

2532
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,400
yes uh and here's why because as you

2533
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,639
watch the episode unfold you find out

2534
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,639
what tragedy happened there we didn't

2535
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:35,679
know about it

2536
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:37,280
i didn't show back up to work for two

2537
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:39,840
days i was just spent i couldn't wrap my

2538
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:41,360
head and then i'm thinking something

2539
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:43,440
just attacked me i got knocked on my

2540
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:45,679
butt with in in the holster files twice

2541
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:48,560
split my back open and one of them um

2542
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:51,040
but it was kind of like it this was this

2543
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:53,119
felt personal um the other ones were

2544
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:55,040
just kind of like a bullying tactic this

2545
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:57,199
felt like it was trying to hurt me

2546
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,159
so my initial reaction is i was attacked

2547
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:02,400
i i've come to now look at it as i think

2548
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:03,920
i walked into a place memory of a

2549
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:05,600
tragedy that took place and i think the

2550
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,119
fear the pain that i felt in that moment

2551
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:11,119
was very much tied to the death of

2552
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,280
richard sims and

2553
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,600
the spirit crying out to be remembered i

2554
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:17,040
can't i

2555
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:18,880
and maybe i'm grasping at straws with

2556
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:21,840
that jim i don't know i you know it's

2557
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:23,280
i can't there's there was physically

2558
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:24,480
nothing wrong with me and i didn't know

2559
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:26,000
the story i didn't know about richard

2560
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,600
sims i didn't know about him being shot

2561
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:29,280
in that area and he was shot in the

2562
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:32,080
stomach and i knew nothing of it and you

2563
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:33,679
know so to to have that moment and

2564
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:35,040
that's there and it hurts and then it's

2565
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:36,480
gone and there's nothing physically

2566
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:37,520
wrong

2567
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,119
i'm gonna go with it it was a spirit do

2568
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,880
i think i was attacked i mean yeah it

2569
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,560
was an attack in a sense but i think it

2570
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:45,280
was more along the lines of

2571
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:48,080
giving me a moment of history that i was

2572
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:50,800
able to experience and there are mediums

2573
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,800
that will go in and in holzer files one

2574
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:54,719
of the episodes somebody had been hung

2575
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:56,239
from a tree that

2576
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:57,920
is where this house was and as cindy

2577
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:59,440
started talking to me i'm using the

2578
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,639
thermal camera you start to see what

2579
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,400
looks like a rope appearing around her

2580
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:04,400
now remember that she starts going i

2581
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:06,159
can't i feel like i'm choking i can't

2582
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:07,520
breathe and i go cindy there is

2583
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:08,880
something it looks like a rope just

2584
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:11,679
appeared around your neck so

2585
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:13,600
mediums and psychics walk into this all

2586
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:14,800
the time

2587
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,159
um

2588
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,320
i'm not i have never been that open

2589
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,040
we think it occurred going back earlier

2590
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,280
in the year when i filmed a special at

2591
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:25,119
the lizzie borden house

2592
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,320
um during the seance i opened myself up

2593
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:30,719
stupidly and said hey use me if you want

2594
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:32,560
to communicate and i was meaning like my

2595
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:35,600
energy and and i began automatic writing

2596
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:37,440
which i fought like a demon through the

2597
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:38,880
whole thing i did not want it to happen

2598
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:40,480
and it freaked me out

2599
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:42,880
and afterwards chris fleming had meant

2600
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,719
to talk me down about it and teach me

2601
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:46,400
how to ground myself and saying that now

2602
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,520
that that happened you're gonna always

2603
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,920
kind of be open i contacted chris after

2604
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:51,280
this happened to me at the cabbage patch

2605
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:52,320
and he's like

2606
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:53,679
that's on me man i should have walked

2607
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:55,520
you through it and then

2608
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:58,080
the next episode of this show

2609
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,040
i'm

2610
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:01,920
more spiritually emotionally attacked in

2611
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,360
a sense and

2612
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,440
then cindy stepped in and she really

2613
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:07,119
worked nicely with me behind the scenes

2614
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:09,199
to try to teach me how to

2615
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:11,679
shut down and not be that wide open

2616
01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:14,159
especially not knowing what i'm doing

2617
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:15,040
so

2618
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:16,320
um

2619
01:47:20,229 --> 01:47:18,480
i don't i i don't begrudge anybody that

2620
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:20,239
has that ability and skill and i

2621
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:21,760
certainly think if you're gonna go into

2622
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:24,800
places like that cindy teaches courses

2623
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,960
on mediumship and jimmy i recommend take

2624
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:28,639
those courses because before you really

2625
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:30,320
put yourself in here and open up

2626
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:32,880
understand how the tool works understand

2627
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:34,400
how to you know

2628
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:36,239
work the tool and put the tool away

2629
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,639
safely before you just dive headlong

2630
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:40,480
into this and i went in

2631
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,199
guns ablazing and opened up like a

2632
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:45,840
a clam and boom took the hits yeah

2633
01:47:50,229 --> 01:47:48,400
cindy's cindy's got the gift you know

2634
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:50,239
she could probably teach me some things

2635
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,480
but she she's got the gift there's

2636
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,239
there's no question about it

2637
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:56,080
um now i'm

2638
01:48:00,870 --> 01:47:58,000
this this may be a little sensitive and

2639
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,880
i look everybody go and watch the show i

2640
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:03,440
it may not be as extreme

2641
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:06,960
as as i'm painting here but it appears

2642
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:08,159
to me

2643
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,520
that what is going on um

2644
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,280
uh in butte

2645
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:16,159
uh is more physical than normal uh this

2646
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:18,719
interaction that is going on and

2647
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,560
you don't see that

2648
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:22,560
you know there's it's one thing to see a

2649
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:23,760
shadow figure

2650
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,639
on you know caught on tape or flear

2651
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:29,440
you know a rampod going off that's one

2652
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,320
thing

2653
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:32,880
but there is like what happened to you

2654
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:36,480
um there are multiple incidents here

2655
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,000
of genuine physical um

2656
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:42,480
things and contact that are going on

2657
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,920
that are not kind this is not a tapping

2658
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,000
on the shoulder this is this is some

2659
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:50,480
violent interaction going on

2660
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:52,159
tied to

2661
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,800
the historical side of this that which

2662
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:56,639
is part of

2663
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:59,679
um fact as presented which you know like

2664
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,679
with richard and elaine and the shoot

2665
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:03,840
that that that really happened

2666
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,639
and uh the stuff with herb hearing the

2667
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:08,880
voices and him getting shot by and

2668
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:11,199
killed by a cop after he's got voices in

2669
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,159
his head

2670
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:14,639
this is this is this is a direct

2671
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:16,400
physical thing

2672
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,920
um that is it this is a negative

2673
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,560
a contact experience have you ever gone

2674
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:24,560
through anything like this before to

2675
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:29,910
well

2676
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:31,760
again you know with holzer files i got

2677
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,520
knocked down twice pretty hard split my

2678
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,080
back open once during that

2679
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,080
but i also take a step back and maybe

2680
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:39,840
it's the rebecca of sunnybrook farm in

2681
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,840
me i try to look for the the upside the

2682
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:45,840
if you're a ghost that's been there 100

2683
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:48,320
200 years and people come in and

2684
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,239
what's your name how'd you die what year

2685
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:51,840
is it what president is there asking the

2686
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:54,159
same questions right it probably

2687
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:55,679
frustrates the ghosts and if they've

2688
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:57,520
answered 100 times and nobody's done

2689
01:50:02,070 --> 01:49:59,360
anything to help them

2690
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:02,080
i think sometimes it's just uh

2691
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:03,520
pay attention

2692
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:05,679
i okay i'm gonna get your attention dave

2693
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:07,440
schrader you're in here acting like you

2694
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,400
care

2695
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:10,080
you and your partner your pretty little

2696
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:12,159
partner and she's reaching out you want

2697
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:14,320
to know i'll show you what you need to

2698
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:15,920
know and i hit the ground like somebody

2699
01:50:19,589 --> 01:50:18,159
shot me in the stomach right so it'd be

2700
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:19,599
really easy

2701
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,639
to step back and say it's a demon it's a

2702
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:25,280
demon but i don't think it was i think

2703
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,880
it was them

2704
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:28,560
giving me the gift

2705
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:30,560
of insight giving me that

2706
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:32,080
i still have to step back sometimes and

2707
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,760
wrap my head around it maybe i'm fooling

2708
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:35,119
myself maybe i'm trying to comfort

2709
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,040
myself so that i don't feel so

2710
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:39,119
vulnerable or feel like a victim

2711
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,840
but i really try to give the spirits

2712
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:44,080
um

2713
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:47,199
empathy and understanding that you know

2714
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:48,639
if this were my grandfather or my

2715
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,960
grandmother my mother my father my

2716
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,639
children my grandchildren whatever might

2717
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:55,119
have passed away there how would i want

2718
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,960
them to be perceived and

2719
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:58,560
i want to be patient because it may be a

2720
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,560
while since somebody's really heard them

2721
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,159
and really willing to interact and

2722
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,239
willing to follow through we i will give

2723
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:06,480
them credit on the show i you know at

2724
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:08,639
the end of episode three

2725
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:10,639
uh i was reduced to tears and i said we

2726
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,320
need to get somebody in here now

2727
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,239
somebody that's gonna clear this place

2728
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:16,480
and get the bad stuff out and help these

2729
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:17,760
spirits that are in here that feel

2730
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:19,199
trapped and lost and we need to do it

2731
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:20,960
now and they kept it in and i'm not the

2732
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,880
director of the show but i'm screaming

2733
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:24,560
at the crew and cast i'm like this is

2734
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:26,719
happening we're doing this and they got

2735
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,760
us you know we got a minister in the

2736
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:31,520
second episode we got this team that

2737
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:33,199
comes in that deals with dark energies

2738
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:34,719
and they cleared the place and did their

2739
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:37,199
stuff we did prayers over it so we we

2740
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:40,239
take it very seriously for the spirits

2741
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,000
and then the living are second to me

2742
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,480
then hopefully by placating and helping

2743
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:46,880
the spirits now it's helped the humans

2744
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:48,080
that are there and hopefully the

2745
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,320
interactions are better so that's what

2746
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:52,639
we that's what we try to do

2747
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,400
there is um uh i gotta circle back to

2748
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,400
something here so just let me write a

2749
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:00,639
little quick note

2750
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:02,560
and maybe i'll show you what i just

2751
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:05,199
wrote so uh okay

2752
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:08,880
to help me uh remember um in the opening

2753
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:12,639
scene um the young lady uh uh you know

2754
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:15,440
the bathroom right right right taylor

2755
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:21,189
it's my show don't have to say her name

2756
01:52:23,990 --> 01:52:22,719
let people go and figure that out for

2757
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:24,000
themselves thanks

2758
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:25,280
trying to help you look like you were

2759
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,639
looking for a word jim i'm trying to

2760
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:29,040
help i'm a helper by the way scott

2761
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,599
walter just texted me i'll put this text

2762
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:33,599
up on the screen and show you scott just

2763
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:34,480
said

2764
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:36,320
i think dave should be the host to fade

2765
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:38,239
to black i'm like

2766
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,480
what's going on here

2767
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:42,880
so so anyway um so stay tuned my

2768
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:44,880
schrader knots we'll be back with my

2769
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:54,310
is is when when she reveals um uh the

2770
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:56,000
those weren't scratches on her back

2771
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,040
those were

2772
01:53:03,840 --> 01:52:59,679
freaking black bear claw marks

2773
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:03,850
that was true man dude that was crazy

2774
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:05,199
[Music]

2775
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,760
yes and that's like the opening scene so

2776
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:10,080
when you see something like that are you

2777
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:11,520
is that

2778
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,800
to come that this isn't going to be your

2779
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:17,920
normal

2780
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:22,400
well that was it like i said that was in

2781
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,400
the first 36 hours of being boots on the

2782
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,560
ground and beaut i hadn't even finished

2783
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:29,360
fully unpacking and we get this call get

2784
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:30,800
over here there's been an attack and i'm

2785
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:32,159
like the cops are calling us there was

2786
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:33,280
an attack

2787
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:35,040
and you know i know what we're there for

2788
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:36,960
but i'm like

2789
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,960
spiritual paranormal attack just didn't

2790
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:40,719
register to me but i'm like do they

2791
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:42,560
think somebody's possessed that and we

2792
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:44,719
get there and hear the story and there's

2793
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:47,599
fire department and emts and police this

2794
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:50,159
is a real thing this isn't

2795
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,080
make-believe this is crazy and this

2796
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:54,480
woman's getting patched up

2797
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:57,440
she's got these gouges on her back

2798
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,440
she's in i would almost call a state of

2799
01:54:03,109 --> 01:54:01,679
shock she's just very like i am after

2800
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,119
something happens i've just got this

2801
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:06,000
kind of huh what just happened

2802
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,920
what is this and your your brain's

2803
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:09,360
trying to process she was very calm her

2804
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:11,040
friend was more upset it seemed than

2805
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,320
taylor was yeah she was actually well

2806
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:16,239
taylor didn't see the back

2807
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:19,280
she saw a photograph of the back but

2808
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:21,760
that was

2809
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,159
yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right though

2810
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,400
she was pretty calm robert just said i

2811
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:28,800
want to be the first schrader not i got

2812
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:31,840
dibs so see what you started my man

2813
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:36,400
um this is what i wrote down and uh

2814
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:37,760
i wrote

2815
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:40,080
let me get this on the camera

2816
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,520
tears

2817
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:43,840
yeah okay so

2818
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:45,040
what

2819
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:46,560
you i mean

2820
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:48,880
that's it man you're laying yourself out

2821
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:53,199
there that was uh that was um very

2822
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:56,480
emotional uh it was very heartfelt but

2823
01:55:01,910 --> 01:54:57,360
um

2824
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:01,920
that type of experience uh going through

2825
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:03,119
um

2826
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:04,880
i i don't want to say what was going on

2827
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:06,239
at the time but

2828
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:07,520
um the

2829
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:09,360
the equipment that was being used let's

2830
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,040
just say that let's leave that to the

2831
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:13,280
side everybody can go and watch this

2832
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:14,000
but

2833
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:18,080
and i could hear it in your voice and

2834
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:20,080
then

2835
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:22,239
it's and you've you've you're you're

2836
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:23,360
crying

2837
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:25,840
now that's it you're you're exposed to

2838
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:28,320
the world um how does that make you feel

2839
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,400
to see to know that people are seeing

2840
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:33,199
you in that kind of moment

2841
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:35,599
i could care less you know i'm i'm there

2842
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,760
for the experience and you know if i was

2843
01:55:41,589 --> 01:55:39,840
worried about my image uh i wouldn't be

2844
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:41,599
wearing a bow low tie and a vest in

2845
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:44,080
montana you know i mean i i just do what

2846
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:45,760
i feel comfortable doing and i'm putting

2847
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:47,119
myself in these positions so you got to

2848
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:48,960
kind of take the good and the bad

2849
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,840
and

2850
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:52,000
that was the most emotional experience

2851
01:55:56,070 --> 01:55:54,080
i've ever had in my life con

2852
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:56,080
pertaining to the paranormal

2853
01:56:00,070 --> 01:55:57,119
um

2854
01:56:02,229 --> 01:56:00,080
and it was much longer i mean again you

2855
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,239
know the episode's 42 minutes the entire

2856
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:04,480
experiment was almost an hour right and

2857
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:06,639
it was a slow

2858
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:10,159
de-evolution of my sanity if you will um

2859
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:11,360
and and

2860
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:12,639
you know they show a couple of scenes

2861
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:13,840
where you see the tears starting to

2862
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,440
streak down my face

2863
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:17,280
and it got to points where i was sobbing

2864
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:18,400
sitting there

2865
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,679
and

2866
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:21,840
i i think they kind of wanted to try to

2867
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:23,760
keep the

2868
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,599
mystique of being the lead investigator

2869
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:27,679
and that i can pull myself together so

2870
01:56:31,510 --> 01:56:29,199
they didn't show how bad it got but

2871
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:31,520
again i have no shame or fear in talking

2872
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,080
about it and it was so bad

2873
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,239
uh that when i finally stood up and and

2874
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:38,320
was talking to the camera about that you

2875
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:40,000
know the directors are asking what was

2876
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,440
going on what are you seeing what are

2877
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,119
you hearing what is this and i explained

2878
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:45,360
it to him i just kept

2879
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:47,840
like it was full-on churning morning

2880
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:50,159
sobs and the director just stepped up

2881
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:52,639
from behind the camera and embraced me

2882
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:54,080
and i i just threw my head on her

2883
01:56:58,390 --> 01:56:56,719
shoulder and i shook violently crying

2884
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:58,400
for a good five minutes

2885
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:59,199
um

2886
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,480
and then

2887
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:02,560
they got me kind of back and katie who

2888
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:04,719
was uh you know

2889
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,560
worked you know in afghanistan and in

2890
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:08,159
iraq

2891
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:10,560
and had seen some horrible things

2892
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:12,400
he was very calming

2893
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:14,159
and never lost his touch and you know

2894
01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:15,760
when i talked to him on my episode last

2895
01:57:19,270 --> 01:57:17,360
week about it he goes it was tough

2896
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:19,280
because part of this is do i pull you

2897
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:20,960
out of this experiment because i see how

2898
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,880
it's affecting you or

2899
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,719
you're still sitting into it do i just

2900
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:26,159
let this play out like a national

2901
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:28,000
geographic or you know national

2902
01:57:31,990 --> 01:57:29,920
geographic photographer

2903
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:32,000
and see what happens and that's what he

2904
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:33,520
did is he allowed me to have this

2905
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:35,040
experience because it might help us

2906
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:37,280
understand more of what's going on

2907
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:39,520
and it was it was really tough and very

2908
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:41,520
emotional and i cried

2909
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:44,000
i cried for hours at night afterwards i

2910
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:45,599
you know i got upstairs and i had to sit

2911
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:47,199
back down and i just started sobbing

2912
01:57:51,109 --> 01:57:49,040
again then i cleaned up and i went out

2913
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,119
sat in the rv and started sobbing again

2914
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:54,000
and cindy sat me down and this is why

2915
01:57:57,510 --> 01:57:55,920
i'm here i'm the medium let me do these

2916
01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:57,520
things don't open yourself up like this

2917
01:58:02,390 --> 01:57:59,679
unnecessarily and you know she she was

2918
01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:02,400
very stern but loving and you know

2919
01:58:05,830 --> 01:58:04,080
that's when she took it upon herself to

2920
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:05,840
show me what i need to do to start

2921
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:07,360
taking care of myself when i'm in these

2922
01:58:11,270 --> 01:58:09,199
situations she's not telling me don't do

2923
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,280
it because that counterproductive and

2924
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:13,679
counterintuitive to what she teaches but

2925
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:15,360
don't do it without knowing what you're

2926
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:16,880
doing and what you're exposing yourself

2927
01:58:21,030 --> 01:58:19,679
to so i think people that jump into

2928
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:21,040
these experiments wanting to have a

2929
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:23,040
cheap thrill or a scary moment they

2930
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:24,320
don't know what they're really asking

2931
01:58:28,709 --> 01:58:26,159
for until they get it delivered and when

2932
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:28,719
it hit me it hit me like a wall like a

2933
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:31,599
tsunami and uh i i

2934
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:33,199
thought i was over it that was a year

2935
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:35,280
ago i sat here watching the episode

2936
01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:37,440
surrounded by my family and my friends

2937
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:39,280
and i just started sobbing again sitting

2938
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,760
there yeah it was yeah i could feel it

2939
01:58:45,350 --> 01:58:43,119
again i could hear it again i could

2940
01:58:49,750 --> 01:58:45,360
sense it again yeah it was a genuine

2941
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:49,760
moment um and uh one uh for me that was

2942
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:53,119
so sensitive i was a little reticent to

2943
01:58:56,629 --> 01:58:54,800
to bring it up on the show because it's

2944
01:58:58,310 --> 01:58:56,639
such a powerful

2945
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:58,320
uh uh

2946
01:59:01,589 --> 01:59:00,560
again it's such a powerful powerful

2947
01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:01,599
moment

2948
01:59:03,910 --> 01:59:02,400
but

2949
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,920
to have it caught on tape and the

2950
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,239
reasons why it's there well you know

2951
01:59:09,750 --> 01:59:08,719
what it's not all fun and games

2952
01:59:10,709 --> 01:59:09,760
and

2953
01:59:13,669 --> 01:59:10,719
uh

2954
01:59:15,350 --> 01:59:13,679
this stuff happens and and the audience

2955
01:59:16,870 --> 01:59:15,360
needs to see it and they they need to

2956
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:16,880
see the process

2957
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:20,080
there was uh there was another shot um

2958
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:22,400
i mean uh right after

2959
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:23,360
uh

2960
01:59:27,270 --> 01:59:25,679
the experiment ended and you could see

2961
01:59:31,589 --> 01:59:27,280
your eyes right

2962
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:33,910
yeah here it comes all right all right

2963
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:36,719
so you see that coming but you can tell

2964
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:40,000
that quite a bit later uh the cameras

2965
01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:41,840
catch you you're off by yourself on the

2966
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:43,760
other side of the house and they're like

2967
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:45,840
secretly filming you in the crack of the

2968
01:59:49,830 --> 01:59:48,400
door or something and but i'm glad they

2969
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:49,840
caught the moment because you were by

2970
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:51,840
yourself and you were trying to collect

2971
01:59:55,750 --> 01:59:53,040
your thoughts

2972
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:55,760
and uh it was it was very serious man

2973
01:59:59,990 --> 01:59:56,960
and uh

2974
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,000
uh yeah yeah that's that's the one part

2975
02:00:04,709 --> 02:00:02,239
that they miss in editing a show they

2976
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:04,719
did they did a good job without being in

2977
02:00:08,149 --> 02:00:06,800
my head i wish in that scene i could

2978
02:00:11,589 --> 02:00:08,159
have

2979
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:11,599
little bit more and actually not

2980
02:00:15,109 --> 02:00:13,760
necessarily shown more but shown

2981
02:00:16,950 --> 02:00:15,119
the things that i thought were a little

2982
02:00:18,310 --> 02:00:16,960
bit more important because again they're

2983
02:00:19,990 --> 02:00:18,320
doing the best they can and they're

2984
02:00:21,510 --> 02:00:20,000
trying to preserve the integrity of

2985
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:21,520
their lead investigator when they're

2986
02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:23,280
doing this right they don't know how you

2987
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:25,199
know a lot of people in our field have

2988
02:00:29,589 --> 02:00:27,760
egos they don't want to be seen

2989
02:00:31,270 --> 02:00:29,599
like that you know our director asked me

2990
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:31,280
he goes i don't know is this going to

2991
02:00:34,550 --> 02:00:33,119
play too emotional you know how do you

2992
02:00:35,669 --> 02:00:34,560
feel about this i'm like play it it

2993
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:35,679
happened

2994
02:00:40,470 --> 02:00:37,920
you know what am i going to do erase

2995
02:00:41,669 --> 02:00:40,480
a true thing that that occurred just to

2996
02:00:43,510 --> 02:00:41,679
save my own

2997
02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:43,520
you know whatever i'll be the michael

2998
02:00:48,229 --> 02:00:45,280
land of the paranormal and cry i don't

2999
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:48,239
care it's it's what hit me at the moment

3000
02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:49,440
and i've been emotional on other

3001
02:00:53,669 --> 02:00:51,840
episodes and i'll be emotional again for

3002
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:53,679
different reasons and different things

3003
02:00:56,550 --> 02:00:54,719
and

3004
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:56,560
but you know that's to me that's what

3005
02:01:00,470 --> 02:00:58,560
makes this real is i'm not trying to be

3006
02:01:03,669 --> 02:01:00,480
a superhero i'm not trying to be iron

3007
02:01:05,669 --> 02:01:03,679
man going in and fighting the the demons

3008
02:01:07,270 --> 02:01:05,679
i'm going in as a human trying to

3009
02:01:10,229 --> 02:01:07,280
connect on a spiritual level with other

3010
02:01:11,189 --> 02:01:10,239
humans living and dead and get answers

3011
02:01:14,310 --> 02:01:11,199
and

3012
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:14,320
that's that's it but there was

3013
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:15,920
i i i'd like to tell you a little bit

3014
02:01:18,629 --> 02:01:17,280
more about it jim if you don't mind

3015
02:01:21,669 --> 02:01:18,639
because they don't show it on the on the

3016
02:01:23,750 --> 02:01:21,679
episode but let's do it let's do it

3017
02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:23,760
back and you need to practice you need

3018
02:01:27,030 --> 02:01:25,840
to practice your emmy speech

3019
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:27,040
right and the

3020
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:30,320
best emotional breakdown scene goes

3021
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:31,679
schrader

3022
02:01:35,109 --> 02:01:34,320
ghost of devil's perch dave come on up

3023
02:01:37,990 --> 02:01:35,119
here

3024
02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:38,000
um but yeah it was it was powerful so

3025
02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:39,520
let's let's continue let's take the

3026
02:01:43,109 --> 02:01:41,920
break right here this is fade to black i

3027
02:01:44,550 --> 02:01:43,119
guess tonight the one and only dave

3028
02:01:48,229 --> 02:01:44,560
schrader we're talking about his new

3029
02:01:50,550 --> 02:01:48,239
series uh it's it's it's season four but

3030
02:01:52,310 --> 02:01:50,560
it's the ghost of devil's perch

3031
02:01:54,020 --> 02:01:52,320
and it's on travel channel discovery

3032
02:02:01,669 --> 02:01:54,030
plus more dave when we come back

3033
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3034
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:02,840
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3035
02:02:08,710 --> 02:02:03,760
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3042
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3099
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3100
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[Music]

3101
02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:29,679
welcome back fade to black my

3102
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:31,199
guest tonight is dave schrader we're

3103
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:32,400
talking about

3104
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:35,199
uh this is season four but uh this

3105
02:05:38,229 --> 02:05:36,800
season is called

3106
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:38,239
the ghost

3107
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:43,360
of devil's perch starring a dave

3108
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:46,000
schrader and uh cindy kaza

3109
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:48,400
and and katie and a 50

3110
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:52,800
year old rv and uh

3111
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:54,719
david and don't forget chris fisk our

3112
02:05:59,109 --> 02:05:56,880
historian he is definitely one of the

3113
02:06:01,350 --> 02:05:59,119
most important aspects of the show

3114
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:01,360
chris chris is the man

3115
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:03,920
chris is the man now um spooks and

3116
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:05,760
spirits in butte if you're there check

3117
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:08,239
out his tours spooks and spirits yeah

3118
02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:09,840
he's so cool man

3119
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:12,960
he's so cool uh and that there's a

3120
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:15,679
moment okay we're gonna continue on uh

3121
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:17,119
with this i'll make it quick for you

3122
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:19,199
yeah no but that that's okay but there's

3123
02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:20,320
a moment

3124
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:22,320
uh with chris and you guys are sitting

3125
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:23,679
around the table

3126
02:06:30,229 --> 02:06:27,599
and uh and and i you know i i've got

3127
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:30,239
this huge respect for cindy but she

3128
02:06:34,629 --> 02:06:32,800
knows what she's ghostwriting right

3129
02:06:36,870 --> 02:06:34,639
and and there's things going and when

3130
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:36,880
she whips out that newspaper article

3131
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:38,880
that uh you know because chris is the

3132
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:40,320
historian right he's got everything

3133
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:42,480
spread out across the table

3134
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:46,800
and watching cindy's reaction ah

3135
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:48,880
richard elaine ah

3136
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:50,480
that's because of chris

3137
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:53,840
you know and and and chris is able to

3138
02:06:57,830 --> 02:06:55,520
chris didn't know

3139
02:07:00,229 --> 02:06:57,840
right but he didn't even yeah he had no

3140
02:07:01,510 --> 02:07:00,239
clue who richard was but she

3141
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:01,520
i love that scene because she looks like

3142
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:02,639
sherlock holmes while they're all

3143
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:04,719
talking and doing lip service she's

3144
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:06,320
looking at articles because she wants to

3145
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:08,079
put this thing together to know what

3146
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:09,599
happened to her friend

3147
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:13,440
boom richard boom shot boom murder

3148
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:14,480
it was

3149
02:07:18,390 --> 02:07:16,880
when she said to me was awesome hey dave

3150
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:18,400
i'm gonna be straight with you when she

3151
02:07:23,109 --> 02:07:21,520
said elaine right this is what i did oh

3152
02:07:25,109 --> 02:07:23,119
come on

3153
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:25,119
i was like no

3154
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,280
really yeah it was a great scene it was

3155
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:29,599
a great scene okay so

3156
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:30,480
uh

3157
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:33,520
let's let's go back this was um i you

3158
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:36,719
know for everybody it's exactly uh what

3159
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:38,639
you think this scene is

3160
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:42,079
uh dave um goes through this emotional

3161
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:43,280
process

3162
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:44,400
um

3163
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:46,079
what caused it and stuff please just

3164
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:47,760
watch the show

3165
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:50,079
and you'll understand the processes that

3166
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:51,840
are involved here

3167
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:53,599
but um

3168
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:55,840
after things completed

3169
02:08:00,229 --> 02:07:58,159
um dave had i'm not going to say with

3170
02:08:02,390 --> 02:08:00,239
what but he had his eyes covered but i

3171
02:08:04,229 --> 02:08:02,400
kind of had the suspicion

3172
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:04,239
when that reveal happened i was going to

3173
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:06,960
see what i was going to see which was

3174
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:09,599
big red puffy eyes and tears and and

3175
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:12,480
everything uh uh happened

3176
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:15,360
uh and it's a very powerful moment but

3177
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:17,599
you wanted to expand on that

3178
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:19,280
well it was it was kind of a sensory

3179
02:08:25,350 --> 02:08:23,040
deprivation experiment with sound and um

3180
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:25,360
opening myself up to

3181
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:27,440
allow the spirits uh

3182
02:08:31,189 --> 02:08:29,280
and an access portal if you would we

3183
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:31,199
were doing an experiment

3184
02:08:34,629 --> 02:08:33,040
and i'd always wanted to try it because

3185
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:34,639
i've seen other shows do it and i was

3186
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:36,400
very skeptical like you i'm kind of like

3187
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:38,880
come on put me in no i i will never do

3188
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:40,880
that

3189
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:43,440
dave let me be straight with you i have

3190
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,360
been asked uh by mutual friends of ours

3191
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:49,520
i might add that you volunteered me for

3192
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:50,480
thank you

3193
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:53,280
um to go through these experiments

3194
02:08:57,510 --> 02:08:56,000
i won't do it i've seen the process and

3195
02:09:01,669 --> 02:08:57,520
i know

3196
02:09:02,709 --> 02:09:01,679
that is a these are very serious moments

3197
02:09:06,310 --> 02:09:02,719
um

3198
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:06,320
and and i can't do it okay you did

3199
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:09,360
but no i i don't think i no i i can't

3200
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:12,239
step up to that plate

3201
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:13,679
well doing it like i said i have no

3202
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:15,840
regrets in doing it i'm glad that i did

3203
02:09:21,270 --> 02:09:18,960
i'm glad that i gave over to that uh

3204
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,280
opportunity for

3205
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:23,040
the spirit realm to make itself known to

3206
02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:25,040
me in that way um

3207
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:26,880
and i

3208
02:09:30,790 --> 02:09:29,360
i started with i i sensed this boy

3209
02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:30,800
willie correct

3210
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:32,159
trying to make communication with me

3211
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:34,320
this boy that died very tragically or

3212
02:09:37,990 --> 02:09:36,159
near the property

3213
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:38,000
and

3214
02:09:48,310 --> 02:09:43,520
willy kind of fades out to this

3215
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:48,320
cacophony of screams and it sounds like

3216
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:50,159
you're you're right there inside the

3217
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:52,320
hindenburg as it's crashing you can just

3218
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:53,280
hear

3219
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:55,679
the metal twisting the screams of pain

3220
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:57,280
and and

3221
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:58,960
people calling out for their moms and it

3222
02:10:02,149 --> 02:10:00,400
was just it it

3223
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,159
and it started to overwhelm and i'm like

3224
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:03,840
what and that wasn't the creepiest

3225
02:10:06,870 --> 02:10:05,040
factor

3226
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:06,880
because when i'm talking about the other

3227
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:07,760
voice

3228
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:08,960
so

3229
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:11,360
there's just this

3230
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:12,560
screaming

3231
02:10:17,109 --> 02:10:14,719
and then there's this voice

3232
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:17,119
calmly talking to me

3233
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:21,360
telling me he's in control of everything

3234
02:10:26,229 --> 02:10:23,199
and the experience i'm having is because

3235
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:26,239
of him and he's letting me hear what

3236
02:10:29,189 --> 02:10:28,400
happened to the people of butte and it

3237
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:29,199
was

3238
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:30,560
this

3239
02:10:35,109 --> 02:10:33,679
resonant

3240
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:35,119
calm

3241
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:36,560
creepy

3242
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:37,599
voice

3243
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:39,360
in my ear

3244
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:42,480
telling me as this

3245
02:10:48,790 --> 02:10:44,960
music of of death is occurring in the

3246
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:48,800
background and it just it would not stop

3247
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:50,079
and then

3248
02:10:54,870 --> 02:10:52,480
as it started to taper down he just kind

3249
02:10:56,950 --> 02:10:54,880
of laughed it off and you know it was

3250
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:56,960
kind of like a welcome to butte moment

3251
02:11:01,830 --> 02:10:58,320
and

3252
02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:01,840
the emotions just kept hitting me

3253
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:03,119
because

3254
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:05,679
i i'm not good with death as it is and

3255
02:11:08,709 --> 02:11:07,280
since then you know i've talked to cindy

3256
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:08,719
and kd and they're like i don't think i

3257
02:11:11,510 --> 02:11:10,400
would have had the same experience

3258
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:11,520
sitting in there because it knew your

3259
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:13,920
weakness you were already kind of open

3260
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:15,840
from the week before

3261
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:17,199
and they knew what to hit you with and

3262
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:18,800
they know about your fear of death and

3263
02:11:21,990 --> 02:11:20,320
the other side knows these things and it

3264
02:11:23,589 --> 02:11:22,000
was giving you

3265
02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:23,599
you know i wasn't getting a drink from a

3266
02:11:28,069 --> 02:11:24,960
fountain i was getting a drink from a

3267
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:28,079
fire hose and and it was taking pleasure

3268
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:29,520
in knowing that it was mentally

3269
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:31,199
torturing me

3270
02:11:33,990 --> 02:11:32,400
and i

3271
02:11:36,229 --> 02:11:34,000
it was one of those things like a car

3272
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:36,239
wreck you want to turn away i wanted to

3273
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:38,639
just stand up and tear off my mask and

3274
02:11:41,589 --> 02:11:39,840
be done

3275
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:41,599
but part of it is this can't be real

3276
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:44,320
your brain's trying to process and make

3277
02:11:50,229 --> 02:11:46,560
sense of everything that's going on

3278
02:11:53,189 --> 02:11:50,239
and when i got done and i at one point i

3279
02:11:55,270 --> 02:11:53,199
i was crying out and i told our director

3280
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:55,280
because you i saw this blank expression

3281
02:11:59,350 --> 02:11:58,079
on his face and our main cameraman and i

3282
02:12:01,990 --> 02:11:59,360
said i'm not

3283
02:12:04,310 --> 02:12:02,000
around right now i'm not i'm not joking

3284
02:12:08,069 --> 02:12:04,320
i'm not acting sit down and put on those

3285
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:08,079
gd headphones and listen to the screams

3286
02:12:12,629 --> 02:12:09,119
and

3287
02:12:14,790 --> 02:12:12,639
can see he was reticent first of all

3288
02:12:17,030 --> 02:12:14,800
he's like is this guy nuts and he sits

3289
02:12:19,109 --> 02:12:17,040
down puts puts the headphones on and

3290
02:12:21,270 --> 02:12:19,119
closes his eyes and takes him off within

3291
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:21,280
seconds and he goes no

3292
02:12:25,030 --> 02:12:22,400
no

3293
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:25,040
and then he told katie shut this down

3294
02:12:28,709 --> 02:12:27,199
and that's when he took me aside and he

3295
02:12:29,589 --> 02:12:28,719
was really kind of trying to cool me

3296
02:12:31,270 --> 02:12:29,599
down

3297
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,280
katie quickly turned off the experiment

3298
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:33,199
and then came over to me and was

3299
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:35,840
walking me back down the slope of of

3300
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:39,040
anxiety i was on and uh but he heard it

3301
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:40,719
briefly but he could hear the screams

3302
02:12:45,189 --> 02:12:43,520
and it's it was so unsettling

3303
02:12:48,790 --> 02:12:45,199
i um

3304
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:48,800
i i did about a 30-minute session i was

3305
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:51,920
asking the questions okay all right

3306
02:12:57,270 --> 02:12:55,040
and i'm sitting with uh susan slaughter

3307
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:57,280
right our mutual friend yeah who's just

3308
02:13:02,390 --> 02:12:59,119
absolutely amazing

3309
02:13:06,470 --> 02:13:02,400
and uh and so and we have uh somebody

3310
02:13:08,870 --> 02:13:06,480
else that i i don't want to get into uh

3311
02:13:11,510 --> 02:13:08,880
names or things like that you know it's

3312
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:11,520
it's very personal but anyway so susan

3313
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:14,400
and i uh we've got cameras rolling and

3314
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:21,350
and and we're asking and and it it was

3315
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:24,960
going into another direction

3316
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:28,239
that i simply wasn't comfortable with

3317
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:31,119
and and susan knew it too

3318
02:13:35,589 --> 02:13:33,679
and it had to do with um you know when

3319
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:35,599
you're dealing with kids

3320
02:13:42,470 --> 02:13:39,119
or things and it you know it just

3321
02:13:47,189 --> 02:13:42,480
and and and you're hearing these answers

3322
02:13:49,030 --> 02:13:47,199
and and and in this case um

3323
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:49,040
there was a kidnapping there was a trunk

3324
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:51,599
of a car involved and there was a thing

3325
02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:54,239
it's getting way too

3326
02:13:59,430 --> 02:13:57,199
crazy for me but the emotion

3327
02:14:01,510 --> 02:13:59,440
that this person is going through

3328
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:01,520
right and and i could see it and i

3329
02:14:05,189 --> 02:14:03,760
wasn't asking

3330
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:05,199
questions

3331
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:08,719
to uh to bring these answers right right

3332
02:14:13,430 --> 02:14:10,880
you weren't leading them no no not at

3333
02:14:14,550 --> 02:14:13,440
all i was like wait wait wait whoa what

3334
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:14,560
what

3335
02:14:17,830 --> 02:14:16,560
and susan and i

3336
02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:17,840
um

3337
02:14:22,149 --> 02:14:20,560
dave looked at each other and went you

3338
02:14:24,069 --> 02:14:22,159
know what

3339
02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:24,079
no this has got to end

3340
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:26,719
it was just too traumatic and and and

3341
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:29,040
susan and i were just the

3342
02:14:33,510 --> 02:14:31,440
um how do i say that we we were the

3343
02:14:34,470 --> 02:14:33,520
observers right we were just asking the

3344
02:14:38,069 --> 02:14:34,480
questions

3345
02:14:39,669 --> 02:14:38,079
it got way too emotional and it it it

3346
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:39,679
was just too powerful

3347
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:40,400
so

3348
02:14:45,430 --> 02:14:42,400
um is and i'm watching you go through

3349
02:14:47,910 --> 02:14:45,440
this now let's back up though

3350
02:14:50,229 --> 02:14:47,920
okay let's back up because there's a

3351
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:50,239
setup to this where we get into that

3352
02:14:53,109 --> 02:14:52,079
uncomfortable zone

3353
02:14:54,390 --> 02:14:53,119
where

3354
02:14:56,069 --> 02:14:54,400
you guys

3355
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:56,079
uh see

3356
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:57,280
these

3357
02:15:00,950 --> 02:15:00,000
child's handprints

3358
02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:00,960
and

3359
02:15:05,030 --> 02:15:02,880
not i'm not going to say how this went

3360
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:05,040
down or anything but just that

3361
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:07,440
suggestion right there

3362
02:15:11,270 --> 02:15:09,840
says that there's something really funky

3363
02:15:14,310 --> 02:15:11,280
going on here

3364
02:15:15,669 --> 02:15:14,320
and this is a zone that none of us are

3365
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:15,679
comfortable with

3366
02:15:20,229 --> 02:15:17,840
right but that doesn't change the event

3367
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:20,239
it doesn't change the history

3368
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:23,440
right and and what happened later with

3369
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:25,440
you was one thing but when you see the

3370
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,400
handprints and what happened to kd right

3371
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:30,719
i'm not gonna

3372
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:33,119
were you were you thinking that this was

3373
02:15:38,709 --> 02:15:35,599
a a possibility because you don't know

3374
02:15:42,229 --> 02:15:38,719
the back story right no i like i said i

3375
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:42,239
was kind of blindsided by the just the

3376
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,719
how big it all was the the handprints

3377
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:46,000
that were appearing and the one thing

3378
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:48,000
that they missed i will say uh you know

3379
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:49,520
again they got to pare it down to 42

3380
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:51,199
minutes and 30 seconds

3381
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:52,880
um

3382
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:54,320
they missed when david sheffield the

3383
02:15:57,589 --> 02:15:55,679
owner of the house i asked him about the

3384
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:57,599
handprints and he goes yeah the damn

3385
02:16:01,270 --> 02:16:00,000
thing i'll go down and i clean that and

3386
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:01,280
10 minutes later i'll go back down and

3387
02:16:05,189 --> 02:16:02,880
they're they're all over again and

3388
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:05,199
they're in different places what okay so

3389
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:07,840
you interviewed him the two of you he's

3390
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:09,360
sitting in the chair

3391
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:11,280
are you saying he said that and they

3392
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:13,040
didn't put that in the show somebody

3393
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:14,719
needs to be fired

3394
02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:18,079
well again you know and this is what you

3395
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:19,360
get so mad

3396
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:20,639
people are like well are you happy with

3397
02:16:23,990 --> 02:16:22,239
the episodes and you're kind of like

3398
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:24,000
it's this weird dichotomy because i

3399
02:16:29,109 --> 02:16:26,639
filmed for five days 12 hours a day i

3400
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:29,119
know what's missing right you don't

3401
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:30,800
because you weren't there and you loved

3402
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:32,319
the episode the way it is and then my

3403
02:16:36,309 --> 02:16:34,000
director would say to me

3404
02:16:37,589 --> 02:16:36,319
all right just do me a favor look at the

3405
02:16:40,549 --> 02:16:37,599
episode

3406
02:16:42,070 --> 02:16:40,559
what 10 seconds would i pull out

3407
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:42,080
to put this in

3408
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:44,160
and then realize that not only do we now

3409
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:45,599
have that 10 seconds but i now have to

3410
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:48,960
address it and address it and we have to

3411
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:50,399
make sure that that fits in the whole

3412
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:51,679
storyline

3413
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,160
so it then affects the entire episode

3414
02:16:58,389 --> 02:16:56,080
and with that you understand the

3415
02:17:00,070 --> 02:16:58,399
fragility of the story so i understand

3416
02:17:02,389 --> 02:17:00,080
some of the stuff you just gotta skirt

3417
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:02,399
over quick you see the handprints

3418
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,160
we kind of alert you to them

3419
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:06,080
it would have been great to have him say

3420
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:08,160
i've wiped them away but you know that

3421
02:17:12,549 --> 02:17:09,679
gives me something to talk about when we

3422
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:12,559
go back and do the uh recap episodes i

3423
02:17:15,509 --> 02:17:13,840
get to do some of the behind the scenes

3424
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,519
stuff and i do that on my podcast on

3425
02:17:18,790 --> 02:17:17,519
tuesday nights i just

3426
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,800
i get to share some of those little

3427
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:20,479
insights that you didn't see in the

3428
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:23,359
episode but i get it it's tough how do

3429
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:26,240
you how do you cohesively tell

3430
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:29,200
hundreds of hours of of storytelling in

3431
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:32,160
42 minutes and still make it compelling

3432
02:17:36,389 --> 02:17:34,160
and still try to hit all the

3433
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:36,399
do we cut out 30 seconds of dave's

3434
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:38,719
experience do we cut out 30 seconds of

3435
02:17:44,309 --> 02:17:42,559
cindy by room 7 do we cut out 30 seconds

3436
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:44,319
you know let's cut out us driving in the

3437
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:45,359
rv

3438
02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:47,120
cut that out i don't need that

3439
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:49,040
but you know i mean that's that's kind

3440
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:50,559
of where we're at with those situations

3441
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,800
so yeah i'm not bummed by it you know

3442
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:54,479
what i like to see certain things done

3443
02:17:57,750 --> 02:17:56,160
differently sure but i understand for

3444
02:17:58,709 --> 02:17:57,760
storytelling why it has to be done the

3445
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:58,719
way it is

3446
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:00,800
there's there is one thing about butte i

3447
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:02,880
didn't know about

3448
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:05,200
and that is uh the underground tunnels

3449
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:07,599
that connect the city uh together

3450
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:09,040
didn't know

3451
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:12,800
um i'm going on the record

3452
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:14,080
the the

3453
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:15,679
the very

3454
02:18:18,549 --> 02:18:16,800
first

3455
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:18,559
frames

3456
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:21,120
of indy and katie

3457
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:22,399
kd

3458
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:23,599
um

3459
02:18:28,309 --> 02:18:25,359
it sounds like i'm saying katie i'm not

3460
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:28,319
saying katie it's that's his wife

3461
02:18:33,349 --> 02:18:30,559
his wife's name is kt and his name is

3462
02:18:36,309 --> 02:18:33,359
k.d and that's messed up that's yeah

3463
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:36,319
that's not right okay so uh but the the

3464
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:38,479
first few frames

3465
02:18:43,830 --> 02:18:41,519
of them going into this quote-unquote

3466
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:43,840
vaulted sidewalk and it's like what what

3467
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:45,519
could that be

3468
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:47,599
and the shot

3469
02:18:53,509 --> 02:18:49,040
right and you see they're back and i'm

3470
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:53,519
like i can't watch this that is

3471
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:57,519
creepy that is wrong and apparently

3472
02:19:01,910 --> 02:19:00,080
that's all over the place underground uh

3473
02:19:04,150 --> 02:19:01,920
in butte right

3474
02:19:06,150 --> 02:19:04,160
yeah well and cindy kept picking up on

3475
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:06,160
there's something bigger she called it

3476
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:08,319
the monster in the mine

3477
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:10,880
not knowing if she means like pennywise

3478
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:12,319
you know or

3479
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:16,880
something just dark overall and

3480
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:18,639
you know we we have to confront that in

3481
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:20,800
the season and there are some emotional

3482
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:23,519
issues and and um

3483
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:25,120
i do something

3484
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:29,519
almost never see me do

3485
02:19:35,830 --> 02:19:32,319
uh when involving with spirits but i the

3486
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:35,840
dad in me comes out at one point and uh

3487
02:19:38,469 --> 02:19:37,200
i don't know i haven't seen the episode

3488
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:38,479
yet so i don't know how it plays out

3489
02:19:42,469 --> 02:19:40,559
it'll be interesting to see i mean i

3490
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:42,479
know what we did to put things to rest

3491
02:19:46,389 --> 02:19:44,559
to the best of our ability but it'll be

3492
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:46,399
interesting to see how it plays on tv

3493
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:48,800
and if uh you know

3494
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:51,280
i can't bring this scared old man

3495
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:53,680
i can't believe they went in there man

3496
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:55,439
i can't did you go down there and check

3497
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:56,880
that out

3498
02:20:01,030 --> 02:19:59,120
uh yes i would i went on my own at a

3499
02:20:02,469 --> 02:20:01,040
different point but you know you they

3500
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:02,479
show in the the highlights so if you

3501
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:04,399
watch episodes you realize there is a

3502
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:06,000
point where we have to go down into the

3503
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:09,040
mines and we go

3504
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:10,160
not me

3505
02:20:16,469 --> 02:20:14,800
is there

3506
02:20:18,230 --> 02:20:16,479
anything more

3507
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:18,240
haunted

3508
02:20:22,550 --> 02:20:21,200
than that that vaulted sidewalk i mean

3509
02:20:25,750 --> 02:20:22,560
that just

3510
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:25,760
you're not supposed to go in there

3511
02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:29,280
that's where you don't go dave

3512
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:32,080
yeah there's there's a lot more haunting

3513
02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:33,840
there's three episodes of air there's

3514
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,319
five more to go eight total episodes in

3515
02:20:41,190 --> 02:20:39,200
total uh sunday nights sunday mornings

3516
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,200
it drops on discovery plus sunday nights

3517
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:43,520
on travel channel and i do live tweet

3518
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:44,399
during the

3519
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:46,399
live show so if you get a chance and you

3520
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:48,960
want to tweet along with me just use

3521
02:20:53,429 --> 02:20:51,680
ghosts of devil's perch and then i keep

3522
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:53,439
an eye on that hashtag so i can try to

3523
02:20:56,950 --> 02:20:55,280
answer as many questions as i can during

3524
02:20:59,830 --> 02:20:56,960
that hour while we're watching it

3525
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:59,840
together now um

3526
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:01,040
uh

3527
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:04,080
there is i want i want to know

3528
02:21:07,990 --> 02:21:04,960
about

3529
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:08,000
the sense of

3530
02:21:13,750 --> 02:21:09,600
cleansing

3531
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:13,760
right where there is a switch that is is

3532
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,000
turned on and off at some point

3533
02:21:20,150 --> 02:21:19,040
and and the ominous feeling or pressure

3534
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:20,160
that may have been there at the

3535
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:21,200
beginning

3536
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,359
is now gone take me through that process

3537
02:21:27,670 --> 02:21:25,439
what do you feel

3538
02:21:29,910 --> 02:21:27,680
uh even in episode one kind of

3539
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:29,920
confronting ferdinand vanzant's spirit

3540
02:21:33,670 --> 02:21:31,680
and just sometimes it's laying out the

3541
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:33,680
story because they get so you know this

3542
02:21:39,190 --> 02:21:36,560
is a spirit that may just be a fractal a

3543
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:39,200
small segment left of who who jimmy

3544
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:40,479
church is

3545
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:42,640
in this location it's not the fully

3546
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:44,080
resolved and

3547
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:45,280
and

3548
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:47,680
logical spirit it's that piece of him

3549
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:50,160
the the fractured broken piece that was

3550
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,000
left behind so sometimes you've got to

3551
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:54,319
tell them the bigger story and the fact

3552
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:57,120
that you know we hey

3553
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:58,720
don't don't lash out at the other people

3554
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:01,040
of you you're mad at one guy james a

3555
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:02,640
murray not at

3556
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:05,920
taylor not at cindy not at me

3557
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:06,800
and

3558
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:08,560
this isn't the way to be remembered

3559
02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:09,920
because then you will be remembered as

3560
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:12,080
the monster you'll be remembered not as

3561
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:14,160
the victim of what took place in your

3562
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:17,280
time but as this unholy beast that's

3563
02:22:20,950 --> 02:22:18,880
hurting people now

3564
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:20,960
and your wife amy she loves you we've

3565
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:23,200
we've caught her as a matter of fact

3566
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:25,040
there's a really cool piece of footage

3567
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:26,880
that we didn't show

3568
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:29,280
on the episode because we didn't again

3569
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:31,520
we don't this isn't a normal episode

3570
02:22:35,590 --> 02:22:33,359
where you go we investigate then we

3571
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:35,600
break down our evidence and review it we

3572
02:22:38,710 --> 02:22:37,200
do it all in the moment we catch it all

3573
02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:38,720
in the moment but we happen to review

3574
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:40,720
that bathroom scene when we're using the

3575
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:43,120
the ghost uh projector

3576
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:44,960
and uh sounds like we're projecting it

3577
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:46,640
goes but it was just laying up a layer

3578
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:48,560
of laser light and smoke so that if

3579
02:22:50,870 --> 02:22:49,840
there was something there it could be

3580
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:50,880
seen

3581
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:52,160
and

3582
02:23:01,990 --> 02:23:00,000
other day on my my recap you see this

3583
02:23:04,309 --> 02:23:02,000
male face with the long mustache like

3584
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:04,319
ferdinand van zant and then lower off on

3585
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,479
the picture there's a profile of a woman

3586
02:23:10,309 --> 02:23:08,399
with a bun in her hair

3587
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,319
in that smoke and i'm like amy's here

3588
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,240
for you man she

3589
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,479
go to your love let go of this this

3590
02:23:17,670 --> 02:23:16,479
isn't the important part so you do these

3591
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:17,680
things and you could legitimately after

3592
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:19,120
the water went on there was kind of this

3593
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:21,280
sense of

3594
02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:22,880
release like

3595
02:23:27,270 --> 02:23:25,680
okay i get it and we did something else

3596
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:27,280
that didn't err on the episode because

3597
02:23:30,150 --> 02:23:28,160
again

3598
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:30,160
it was more for us and we found an

3599
02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:33,200
actual bluebird mine mining certificate

3600
02:23:36,550 --> 02:23:34,960
and it was for like a twenty dollar uh

3601
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:36,560
mining certificate and we signed it over

3602
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:38,399
to ferdinand vanzant and we took it back

3603
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:41,359
to the site of the bluebird mine and we

3604
02:23:45,110 --> 02:23:43,520
put it into the wall and we did a prayer

3605
02:23:47,910 --> 02:23:45,120
and asked for a prayer of clearing and

3606
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:47,920
to help the spirit heal and move on well

3607
02:23:50,950 --> 02:23:49,200
they don't show a lot of the prayer

3608
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,960
stuff they'll show it like kind of in

3609
02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:52,399
the background as i'm doing the final

3610
02:23:55,910 --> 02:23:54,000
voice over but that's because some

3611
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:55,920
people are very sensitive to religion

3612
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:56,800
and

3613
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:58,479
you know we're trying to not offend some

3614
02:24:02,309 --> 02:24:00,640
of the viewers uh in in doing this but

3615
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:02,319
they do allow us to do some of the stuff

3616
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:04,000
and there's a couple episodes where they

3617
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:05,920
asked me can you

3618
02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:07,840
lead a prayer can you do something and i

3619
02:24:10,630 --> 02:24:09,200
have no problem doing that i know i

3620
02:24:12,830 --> 02:24:10,640
can't do damage

3621
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:12,840
asking for help so

3622
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:16,240
um it's so it's their weird tone

3623
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:17,760
and you can

3624
02:24:23,990 --> 02:24:21,760
it's over

3625
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:24,000
yeah you get you get almost like a sense

3626
02:24:30,950 --> 02:24:28,630
you know when you've walked into a room

3627
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:30,960
after somebody's had a fight

3628
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:32,240
right and you weren't there for the

3629
02:24:35,910 --> 02:24:33,760
fight but you can walk in and just feel

3630
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:35,920
that tension in the room and then one

3631
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:37,200
person will leave the room and it just

3632
02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:38,240
kind of

3633
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:40,000
all the air goes out

3634
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:42,399
you get that sense once in a while and

3635
02:24:47,190 --> 02:24:44,080
i've had things like when i was at bobby

3636
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:47,200
mackey's music world uh 10 11 years ago

3637
02:24:51,510 --> 02:24:49,040
um my first introduction to bobby

3638
02:24:53,110 --> 02:24:51,520
mackey's is i was in the basement

3639
02:24:55,110 --> 02:24:53,120
near the hell hole

3640
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:55,120
and uh you know

3641
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:56,399
making sure everybody was gone for the

3642
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:58,080
night we were ushering people out and it

3643
02:25:00,469 --> 02:24:59,359
was just a small group of my friends

3644
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:00,479
like four or five of them they're like

3645
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:02,319
we're just gonna finish up the spirit

3646
02:25:05,590 --> 02:25:04,319
box session i said okay i'm gonna go

3647
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:05,600
clear out the rest of the place and

3648
02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:06,800
we'll leave in about a half an hour and

3649
02:25:11,910 --> 02:25:10,240
as i started to walk out the spirit box

3650
02:25:13,510 --> 02:25:11,920
schrader

3651
02:25:14,790 --> 02:25:13,520
i stopped and i'm like did that just say

3652
02:25:16,790 --> 02:25:14,800
schrader

3653
02:25:18,309 --> 02:25:16,800
and i started walking again

3654
02:25:20,710 --> 02:25:18,319
schrader

3655
02:25:22,950 --> 02:25:20,720
now you're hey uh dave i think this

3656
02:25:24,870 --> 02:25:22,960
thing's calling for you

3657
02:25:26,950 --> 02:25:24,880
and i turned around and kind of gave a

3658
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:26,960
look i'm like okay so i walk back over

3659
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:27,920
and

3660
02:25:33,590 --> 02:25:30,240
i'm here

3661
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:33,600
what can what can i do for you

3662
02:25:40,950 --> 02:25:39,190
i'm like okay so we all grabbed hands we

3663
02:25:43,190 --> 02:25:40,960
started doing a prayer not once during

3664
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:43,200
the session did it make any

3665
02:25:47,190 --> 02:25:45,200
more words and we got done with our

3666
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:47,200
prayer or clearing prayer and i you know

3667
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:48,800
it's not like a hollywood movie the sky

3668
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:51,120
doesn't open in lights show i just said

3669
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:53,840
i hope that helped and then it went

3670
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:56,000
joy

3671
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:57,120
that was it

3672
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:58,800
and no other voices came through that

3673
02:26:02,230 --> 02:26:00,720
night so

3674
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:02,240
sometimes that's all you got to take it

3675
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:03,680
on and i've often questioned is the

3676
02:26:06,710 --> 02:26:05,120
prayer even help

3677
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:06,720
am i being arrogant by thinking i can

3678
02:26:11,190 --> 02:26:08,479
help pray these things but you know what

3679
02:26:13,270 --> 02:26:11,200
i have a faith and i have a belief and

3680
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:13,280
uh you know i think if you raise your

3681
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:15,200
voice and and try to bring the attention

3682
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:17,040
and show love and good compassion and

3683
02:26:20,469 --> 02:26:19,120
insight i think god listens and

3684
02:26:23,349 --> 02:26:20,479
hopefully that's what we're doing in

3685
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:23,359
these moments so yeah i can i feel a

3686
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:25,040
difference sometimes sometimes you feel

3687
02:26:29,030 --> 02:26:26,720
a difference but you're not quite sure

3688
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:29,040
everything's gone um and cindy will say

3689
02:26:31,750 --> 02:26:30,479
that once in a while she's like i think

3690
02:26:34,630 --> 02:26:31,760
we

3691
02:26:35,830 --> 02:26:34,640
carpet but i feel like there's something

3692
02:26:36,710 --> 02:26:35,840
else waiting

3693
02:26:38,550 --> 02:26:36,720
you know

3694
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:38,560
it's a vacuum you remove something and

3695
02:26:43,590 --> 02:26:40,960
something else is going to pop in

3696
02:26:45,429 --> 02:26:43,600
and uh can you

3697
02:26:49,190 --> 02:26:45,439
then walk away

3698
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,200
right knowing that uh

3699
02:26:54,070 --> 02:26:51,680
you know sort of like mission complete

3700
02:26:55,910 --> 02:26:54,080
but that there isn't anything else that

3701
02:26:58,309 --> 02:26:55,920
you can add to this right that there

3702
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:58,319
isn't anything else that you can do

3703
02:27:02,389 --> 02:27:00,479
well dr hans holzer one of my mentors in

3704
02:27:04,150 --> 02:27:02,399
this and you know why i was part of the

3705
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,160
holzer files show i loved his

3706
02:27:08,630 --> 02:27:06,479
methodology that no case is ever truly

3707
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:08,640
closed and even though he went in and

3708
02:27:13,590 --> 02:27:10,960
helped a lot of these spirits 40 50 60

3709
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:13,600
years ago with his mediums and and doing

3710
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:15,200
the things he would do he knew that

3711
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:17,359
sometimes by pulling that page back on

3712
02:27:19,990 --> 02:27:18,960
the story another story would step

3713
02:27:21,349 --> 02:27:20,000
forward

3714
02:27:23,670 --> 02:27:21,359
so that's what we were doing going back

3715
02:27:25,750 --> 02:27:23,680
in 40 years later we weren't necessarily

3716
02:27:27,910 --> 02:27:25,760
bumping up against the ghosts he did but

3717
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:27,920
we were bumping into new spirits things

3718
02:27:31,750 --> 02:27:29,280
that are there making their presence

3719
02:27:33,750 --> 02:27:31,760
known at this time so i don't think it's

3720
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:33,760
ever going to be closed and butte is a

3721
02:27:39,270 --> 02:27:36,800
scarred psychically scarred location so

3722
02:27:41,190 --> 02:27:39,280
much violence so much bloodshed so much

3723
02:27:44,790 --> 02:27:41,200
blood sweat and tears and building this

3724
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:44,800
town so many dreams shattered um so much

3725
02:27:48,469 --> 02:27:46,560
resentment towards those that made a

3726
02:27:50,790 --> 02:27:48,479
life and you know from those that did

3727
02:27:52,550 --> 02:27:50,800
not so i think there's always going to

3728
02:27:53,990 --> 02:27:52,560
be stories to tell and hopefully we

3729
02:27:56,070 --> 02:27:54,000
dealt with this monster in the mine at

3730
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:56,080
the end of the series um

3731
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:58,160
but we're you know i've had a few calls

3732
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:59,840
from a few of the friends in butte that

3733
02:28:02,630 --> 02:28:01,520
are like yeah

3734
02:28:03,750 --> 02:28:02,640
you know i hope they give us another

3735
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:03,760
season because i think we're going to

3736
02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:06,000
need some more help so i'm down for it

3737
02:28:10,389 --> 02:28:08,560
i'd love to go back

3738
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:10,399
do you ever get the sense

3739
02:28:15,190 --> 02:28:12,720
everybody just relax

3740
02:28:16,870 --> 02:28:15,200
we're gonna do overtime uh dave knows

3741
02:28:17,590 --> 02:28:16,880
that he doesn't have a choice for that

3742
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:17,600
so

3743
02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:20,160
uh we're gonna continue after this but

3744
02:28:24,389 --> 02:28:21,760
um after

3745
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:24,399
so much activity we've got many uh

3746
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:26,640
episodes to go through here

3747
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:30,240
but are you afraid and cindy too and kd

3748
02:28:33,510 --> 02:28:31,680
that you

3749
02:28:36,550 --> 02:28:33,520
may take some of this with you and do

3750
02:28:40,309 --> 02:28:38,630
i you know i've had things happen to me

3751
02:28:42,550 --> 02:28:40,319
after i've got home from filming tv

3752
02:28:43,190 --> 02:28:42,560
shows but i like i always say i i'm not

3753
02:28:48,230 --> 02:28:43,200
a

3754
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:48,240
so i don't know if it's the ghost from

3755
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:51,600
butte or you stay in an area long enough

3756
02:28:56,150 --> 02:28:53,920
uh that's haunted and rich with that

3757
02:28:58,070 --> 02:28:56,160
type of activity it's like taking a big

3758
02:28:59,670 --> 02:28:58,080
magnet and a paper clip the paper clip

3759
02:29:01,429 --> 02:28:59,680
is not magnetized but if i rub it on

3760
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:01,439
that magnet a few times and then take it

3761
02:29:05,429 --> 02:29:03,920
over and touch it to other

3762
02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:05,439
paper clips i get a string of four or

3763
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:07,680
five going because of the magnetism of

3764
02:29:11,030 --> 02:29:09,200
being in that

3765
02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:11,040
area for so long

3766
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:13,600
so maybe it's the spirits from the

3767
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:15,439
airport or the spirits of somebody that

3768
02:29:18,309 --> 02:29:16,800
passed away in my neighborhood that see

3769
02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:18,319
the light that i'm working in and they

3770
02:29:22,469 --> 02:29:19,840
come over to try to get noticed and we

3771
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:22,479
just pray them out and i i try not to i

3772
02:29:25,990 --> 02:29:24,319
do not investigate my own home but i

3773
02:29:28,309 --> 02:29:26,000
will lay down prayers and i lay down

3774
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:28,319
rules you know and leave my kids alone

3775
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:29,920
do this if you have something you need

3776
02:29:34,550 --> 02:29:32,000
to communicate to me communicate but

3777
02:29:35,910 --> 02:29:34,560
then you're not welcome in my home and i

3778
02:29:37,590 --> 02:29:35,920
do a lot of prayer that's my thing

3779
02:29:39,190 --> 02:29:37,600
prayer and kind of not necessarily

3780
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,200
meditation but

3781
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:41,680
clearing and just trying to keep myself

3782
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:42,880
straight because i do have kids and i

3783
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:44,640
don't want to bring something right with

3784
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:47,120
malevolent intent back home but i try to

3785
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,560
be pretty cautious in how i do things

3786
02:29:52,710 --> 02:29:50,399
too once in a while you make a mistake

3787
02:29:53,990 --> 02:29:52,720
and you say okay use me to communicate

3788
02:29:55,750 --> 02:29:54,000
and then you realize you should have

3789
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:55,760
been a little bit more specific right

3790
02:30:00,389 --> 02:29:58,000
you can use my energy but you can't

3791
02:30:03,190 --> 02:30:00,399
enter me and you can't use my physical

3792
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,200
form to do this so you know sometimes i

3793
02:30:07,910 --> 02:30:05,359
stumble i made mistakes and i've paid

3794
02:30:09,030 --> 02:30:07,920
the ultimate price for it so

3795
02:30:11,590 --> 02:30:09,040
yeah

3796
02:30:13,910 --> 02:30:11,600
my house is haunted

3797
02:30:16,870 --> 02:30:13,920
uh i've gotten i i

3798
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:16,880
i used to get pretty freaked out

3799
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:18,800
now dave you know what i just don't give

3800
02:30:23,349 --> 02:30:21,359
a crap i'm just living with it

3801
02:30:25,910 --> 02:30:23,359
you know i'm not going to ghost hunt

3802
02:30:26,790 --> 02:30:25,920
here i'm not well maybe maybe i don't

3803
02:30:28,309 --> 02:30:26,800
know

3804
02:30:30,550 --> 02:30:28,319
don't do it don't do it you don't want

3805
02:30:33,190 --> 02:30:30,560
to turn that light on right

3806
02:30:34,790 --> 02:30:33,200
right i just kind of i told everybody

3807
02:30:36,230 --> 02:30:34,800
this story i don't think you heard it uh

3808
02:30:36,870 --> 02:30:36,240
at the beginning of the show tonight but

3809
02:30:43,270 --> 02:30:36,880
i

3810
02:30:46,309 --> 02:30:43,280
and you know he's you know pretty

3811
02:30:47,910 --> 02:30:46,319
popular guy out there in the music world

3812
02:30:49,870 --> 02:30:47,920
and so he comes over we're playing

3813
02:30:52,550 --> 02:30:49,880
guitar and goofing around this was

3814
02:30:54,389 --> 02:30:52,560
saturday saturday

3815
02:30:56,870 --> 02:30:54,399
i'm sitting in this chair with the

3816
02:30:58,630 --> 02:30:56,880
guitar obviously i've got guitars here

3817
02:31:01,190 --> 02:30:58,640
right so i'm sitting here playing he's

3818
02:31:03,750 --> 02:31:01,200
sitting right there that i have a

3819
02:31:06,630 --> 02:31:03,760
thing and he's sitting here and the two

3820
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:06,640
of us are in here in the studio i've got

3821
02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:08,399
these arms folded up in the chair i'm

3822
02:31:12,389 --> 02:31:10,560
playing guitar and he's playing we're

3823
02:31:15,429 --> 02:31:12,399
having a good time at that moment it's

3824
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:15,439
about nine o'clock at night

3825
02:31:18,950 --> 02:31:17,520
some funk

3826
02:31:21,030 --> 02:31:18,960
like loud

3827
02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:21,040
sounded like and i was kind of joking

3828
02:31:25,750 --> 02:31:22,960
about this like somebody bringing a

3829
02:31:27,670 --> 02:31:25,760
refrigerator down the stairs on a dolly

3830
02:31:28,950 --> 02:31:27,680
right

3831
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:28,960
like that

3832
02:31:33,030 --> 02:31:30,560
and we kind of looked at each other

3833
02:31:33,910 --> 02:31:33,040
stopped playing you know and it just you

3834
02:31:35,990 --> 02:31:33,920
know

3835
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:36,000
sunk dunk it happened again

3836
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:38,800
he takes it he he runs out

3837
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:41,040
to see what's going on i take my guitar

3838
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:44,000
off i follow him there's nothing dude it

3839
02:31:47,349 --> 02:31:45,840
was loud

3840
02:31:49,270 --> 02:31:47,359
right now

3841
02:31:51,270 --> 02:31:49,280
we came and didn't find anything i told

3842
02:31:52,950 --> 02:31:51,280
him it was fireworks outside he didn't

3843
02:31:56,710 --> 02:31:52,960
buy that but i was just trying to calm

3844
02:31:58,230 --> 02:31:56,720
him down nothing else happened but

3845
02:32:00,550 --> 02:31:58,240
what's the alternative like you're

3846
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,560
saying do we go through the house and

3847
02:32:05,429 --> 02:32:02,560
and stir up the spirits and see what's

3848
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:05,439
going on and try to do a parent no

3849
02:32:10,389 --> 02:32:08,160
no no i choose to ignore it and i'd

3850
02:32:12,550 --> 02:32:10,399
rather just live with it

3851
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:12,560
and and and let it go that's the right

3852
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:14,240
approach right

3853
02:32:16,550 --> 02:32:15,040
yeah

3854
02:32:18,870 --> 02:32:16,560
usually you just you know you want to

3855
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:18,880
get help in there if it's taken

3856
02:32:22,230 --> 02:32:19,600
a

3857
02:32:23,830 --> 02:32:22,240
um

3858
02:32:25,030 --> 02:32:23,840
maybe you're just being haunted by the

3859
02:32:29,349 --> 02:32:25,040
ghost of art bell and it was the

3860
02:32:35,110 --> 02:32:30,950
uh

3861
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:37,910
i don't i never tell people to

3862
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:39,840
investigate their own home and there's

3863
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:41,120
you know for your listeners out there

3864
02:32:43,750 --> 02:32:42,479
there's uh if you're religious there's a

3865
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:43,760
prayer called the prayer of michael the

3866
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:45,840
archangel read that prayer throughout

3867
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:47,040
your house

3868
02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:48,640
open the front door open your windows

3869
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:50,319
read the prayer of michael the archangel

3870
02:32:53,349 --> 02:32:51,840
shoot those spirits out of your house

3871
02:32:54,710 --> 02:32:53,359
that's another one i do

3872
02:32:57,190 --> 02:32:54,720
yeah another one

3873
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:57,200
i right there's no harm in it i just do

3874
02:33:00,710 --> 02:32:59,040
and i do a quick prayer that's just

3875
02:33:02,550 --> 02:33:00,720
along the lines of lord i just ask that

3876
02:33:04,469 --> 02:33:02,560
you invite the holy spirit through this

3877
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:04,479
home baptize every room in the blood of

3878
02:33:07,750 --> 02:33:06,160
jesus christ and help any spirits that

3879
02:33:09,590 --> 02:33:07,760
are lost or forgotten to find their way

3880
02:33:11,349 --> 02:33:09,600
home i ask that you bring forward their

3881
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:11,359
loved ones their pets their friends

3882
02:33:15,110 --> 02:33:13,200
their neighbors to help them see the

3883
02:33:17,030 --> 02:33:15,120
light and make their way out and for

3884
02:33:18,230 --> 02:33:17,040
those spirits that wish to stay lord i

3885
02:33:20,230 --> 02:33:18,240
just ask that you bind them in the

3886
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:20,240
thorny henge of protection if they mean

3887
02:33:23,990 --> 02:33:22,080
anybody any harm and i pray this in your

3888
02:33:26,070 --> 02:33:24,000
name amen and that's kind of the prayer

3889
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:26,080
i do everywhere um just as a quick

3890
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,120
clearing prayer uh you know as a way to

3891
02:33:32,870 --> 02:33:31,439
draw attention to the location again and

3892
02:33:35,270 --> 02:33:32,880
you know say it with two or three of my

3893
02:33:37,030 --> 02:33:35,280
my people or you know shane and cindy or

3894
02:33:38,389 --> 02:33:37,040
katie and cindy and

3895
02:33:40,950 --> 02:33:38,399
you know just trying to get that

3896
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:40,960
attention uh to the location and show

3897
02:33:44,950 --> 02:33:43,120
the intention that we want we want these

3898
02:33:46,389 --> 02:33:44,960
spirits to find their way out

3899
02:33:48,309 --> 02:33:46,399
let's take our break right here we'll

3900
02:33:50,070 --> 02:33:48,319
come back we're going to pick this

3901
02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:50,080
conversation right here what we're

3902
02:33:52,950 --> 02:33:51,280
talking about

3903
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:52,960
is not going to end we're going to pick

3904
02:33:56,469 --> 02:33:55,040
up when we come back this is fade to

3905
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:56,479
block going into overtime with the one

3906
02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:58,800
and only dave schrader hey you know i

3907
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:00,880
don't have dave on the show as often as

3908
02:34:05,270 --> 02:34:03,040
i should and the reason why

3909
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:05,280
is that everybody after that says the

3910
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:07,120
same thing dave and jimmy should have a

3911
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:09,200
show dave and jimmy should have a show

3912
02:34:13,590 --> 02:34:11,200
and if i do that and i go on vacation i

3913
02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:13,600
come back he takes over it's not going

3914
02:34:19,730 --> 02:34:14,640
to happen

3915
02:34:31,110 --> 02:34:29,820
[Music]

3916
02:34:39,110 --> 02:34:31,120
[Applause]

3917
02:34:42,790 --> 02:34:41,270
you're listening to jimmy church and

3918
02:34:47,750 --> 02:34:42,800
fade to black

3919
02:34:52,950 --> 02:34:50,150
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3920
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you are listening to my boy jimmy church

3921
02:35:04,150 --> 02:34:59,830
despite popular opinion

3922
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:07,510
but listening to jimmy churchill

3923
02:35:12,389 --> 02:35:09,600
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3932
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pollutants in your home and destroys

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them it's called a thunderstorm because

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4014
02:39:36,469 --> 02:39:35,349
welcome back we're in overtime with dave

4015
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:36,479
trader

4016
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:38,399
and uh

4017
02:39:43,429 --> 02:39:41,520
we just uh dave we just hit a a pretty

4018
02:39:46,309 --> 02:39:43,439
cool magical moment

4019
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:46,319
uh here on the show in that

4020
02:39:52,510 --> 02:39:48,080
we just hit

4021
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:52,520
1000 100 000 and 11

4022
02:39:58,070 --> 02:39:56,560
101 subscribers that's a lot of ones

4023
02:40:01,830 --> 02:39:58,080
how cool is that

4024
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:01,840
yeah right fantastic and uh it just

4025
02:40:05,590 --> 02:40:04,000
looking at the number

4026
02:40:07,910 --> 02:40:05,600
i'm going to do a screen grab of this

4027
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:07,920
it's just like it's it's it's just too

4028
02:40:12,790 --> 02:40:09,600
cool to look at

4029
02:40:16,870 --> 02:40:12,800
and do you ever um

4030
02:40:18,710 --> 02:40:16,880
look at the clock at at 11 11 is it

4031
02:40:20,150 --> 02:40:18,720
something that just

4032
02:40:22,150 --> 02:40:20,160
what

4033
02:40:25,030 --> 02:40:22,160
i look at it at 11 22. that's my

4034
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:25,040
birthday so i always notice 11 22.

4035
02:40:30,469 --> 02:40:28,479
oh that's even stranger okay that

4036
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:30,479
why do is it your brain that is

4037
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:33,120
programmed for that where

4038
02:40:39,190 --> 02:40:37,200
your brain knows that it's 11 22 and and

4039
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:39,200
that's what you look at you think that's

4040
02:40:43,349 --> 02:40:40,560
what it is or do you think they're

4041
02:40:44,389 --> 02:40:43,359
saying because i find it i find it very

4042
02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:44,399
strange

4043
02:40:49,349 --> 02:40:46,479
that i look at the clock

4044
02:40:51,990 --> 02:40:49,359
every night at at 11 11. i don't look at

4045
02:40:55,190 --> 02:40:52,000
it at 11 12. i don't look at it at 11

4046
02:40:58,070 --> 02:40:55,200
10. i don't look at it at 11 or 11 it's

4047
02:40:59,990 --> 02:40:58,080
like 11 11. i just laugh

4048
02:41:01,750 --> 02:41:00,000
well we you know it's like i i didn't

4049
02:41:04,150 --> 02:41:01,760
need an alarm to wake up for school i

4050
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:04,160
always woke up at the time i needed to

4051
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:06,479
every day on the dot and i think once

4052
02:41:09,590 --> 02:41:08,319
you get used to 11 11 your eyes your

4053
02:41:11,830 --> 02:41:09,600
body's just used to it you probably

4054
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:11,840
glance up that's one take a lot of

4055
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:13,520
people believe it's the angel number and

4056
02:41:17,349 --> 02:41:15,680
it's it means something more i always

4057
02:41:19,429 --> 02:41:17,359
tell people then when you notice it

4058
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:19,439
instead of wondering why take note of

4059
02:41:23,670 --> 02:41:21,279
the moment you're in give thanks for

4060
02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:23,680
that moment give gratification or or

4061
02:41:26,309 --> 02:41:24,880
gratitude

4062
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:26,319
for all the great things in your life

4063
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:27,920
and tie it to something really cool and

4064
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:30,800
important uh but i think it's mnemonic

4065
02:41:34,070 --> 02:41:32,160
trigger i think

4066
02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:34,080
i probably look at the clock 40 000

4067
02:41:37,750 --> 02:41:35,680
times a day but it doesn't mean anything

4068
02:41:39,910 --> 02:41:37,760
until i notice oh 11 22 that's my

4069
02:41:43,670 --> 02:41:39,920
birthday i probably didn't realize i

4070
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:43,680
looked at it at 10 57 and 11 28 and

4071
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:45,600
you know but the 11 22 stuck out it's

4072
02:41:49,429 --> 02:41:47,680
like when i bought a pt cruiser because

4073
02:41:51,590 --> 02:41:49,439
i like that it looked like a 1930s

4074
02:41:52,950 --> 02:41:51,600
gangster car sure and i went to pick

4075
02:41:54,950 --> 02:41:52,960
mine up off the lot and they didn't have

4076
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:54,960
the black one and the only other car

4077
02:41:58,070 --> 02:41:56,479
they had was a white one which looked

4078
02:41:59,750 --> 02:41:58,080
like a crappy little ambulance or a

4079
02:42:01,269 --> 02:41:59,760
purple one and i'm a minnesota vikings

4080
02:42:02,070 --> 02:42:01,279
fan i said i'll take the purple one i've

4081
02:42:06,389 --> 02:42:02,080
never

4082
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,399
going to be awesome and i got on the

4083
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:08,640
road jimmy and 10 minutes later i saw 25

4084
02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:10,560
purple pt cruisers

4085
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,160
so suddenly your brain starts to

4086
02:42:15,429 --> 02:42:14,640
recognize patterns and that's pareidolia

4087
02:42:17,830 --> 02:42:15,439
so

4088
02:42:20,070 --> 02:42:17,840
i think that a lot of the the numbers

4089
02:42:21,349 --> 02:42:20,080
are us just noticing things today you're

4090
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:21,359
thinking about grandpa and there's a

4091
02:42:24,870 --> 02:42:23,120
pack of lucky strikes do you think

4092
02:42:26,389 --> 02:42:24,880
grandpa really left them out for you or

4093
02:42:27,750 --> 02:42:26,399
did you just notice it today because you

4094
02:42:29,750 --> 02:42:27,760
happen to be thinking of grandpa that

4095
02:42:31,670 --> 02:42:29,760
meant something it's hard to say what

4096
02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:31,680
came first chicken or the egg order both

4097
02:42:34,389 --> 02:42:33,040
off of amazon and let me know which

4098
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:34,399
arrives first that'll give you the

4099
02:42:37,110 --> 02:42:35,439
answer

4100
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:37,120
yeah i uh

4101
02:42:44,230 --> 02:42:41,040
i gave up a long time ago tripping on it

4102
02:42:47,750 --> 02:42:44,240
um because i just accept it i mean there

4103
02:42:48,950 --> 02:42:47,760
is no question at all

4104
02:42:51,269 --> 02:42:48,960
that

4105
02:42:54,389 --> 02:42:51,279
you can be sitting there going man i

4106
02:42:56,070 --> 02:42:54,399
haven't talked to schrader in six months

4107
02:42:58,070 --> 02:42:56,080
and the phone rings

4108
02:42:59,030 --> 02:42:58,080
right that's that's not a coincidence

4109
02:43:01,429 --> 02:42:59,040
man

4110
02:43:04,469 --> 02:43:02,870
i i think that that's something pretty

4111
02:43:06,309 --> 02:43:04,479
cool but that shows the connectivity of

4112
02:43:07,269 --> 02:43:06,319
each one of us that shows

4113
02:43:09,590 --> 02:43:07,279
that

4114
02:43:10,950 --> 02:43:09,600
we are really all part of one energy and

4115
02:43:12,309 --> 02:43:10,960
and sometimes you can be aware of it you

4116
02:43:13,269 --> 02:43:12,319
know have you ever had those moments gym

4117
02:43:14,550 --> 02:43:13,279
where you're just sitting there also and

4118
02:43:16,070 --> 02:43:14,560
you kind of fade out and you realize

4119
02:43:17,990 --> 02:43:16,080
you're there

4120
02:43:19,429 --> 02:43:18,000
but your consciousness is somewhere else

4121
02:43:21,190 --> 02:43:19,439
and you've just got that far away look

4122
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:21,200
in your eye i think we're going along

4123
02:43:24,790 --> 02:43:23,040
and pinging the the spiderweb of our

4124
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:24,800
life and we're just checking in on

4125
02:43:29,349 --> 02:43:27,520
everybody making sure everybody's okay

4126
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:29,359
and then we come through and we're okay

4127
02:43:34,790 --> 02:43:32,080
yeah and i'm okay with that

4128
02:43:37,910 --> 02:43:34,800
i seriously am i think it's awesome

4129
02:43:39,830 --> 02:43:37,920
and i i feel sorry for those out there

4130
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:39,840
seriously uh

4131
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:43,520
that i don't enjoy these moments they're

4132
02:43:47,510 --> 02:43:45,120
not aware of them they don't pay

4133
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:47,520
attention to them they don't care about

4134
02:43:53,190 --> 02:43:50,399
them they don't ponder

4135
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:53,200
the thought of a

4136
02:43:57,590 --> 02:43:55,279
a thought process that there is

4137
02:43:59,429 --> 02:43:57,600
something else that is going on out

4138
02:44:03,190 --> 02:43:59,439
there that we can't explain

4139
02:44:06,469 --> 02:44:03,200
that they're not enjoying life uh and

4140
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:06,479
and i i i genuinely feel sorry for you

4141
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:08,080
know how boring

4142
02:44:13,349 --> 02:44:10,640
that would be to just not consider these

4143
02:44:15,670 --> 02:44:13,359
things i enjoy it i laugh

4144
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:15,680
man last night it's every night man

4145
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:17,040
after the show

4146
02:44:22,309 --> 02:44:20,080
uh i'm sitting in uh my family room i've

4147
02:44:25,990 --> 02:44:22,319
got dinner i sit down

4148
02:44:28,309 --> 02:44:26,000
and it's whatever it's 10 45 right and

4149
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:28,319
you know fire up the tv and you know

4150
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:30,800
getting comfortable you know i'm not

4151
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:32,640
i haven't looked at the clock that's not

4152
02:44:36,469 --> 02:44:34,319
what i'm saying i'm saying it's about

4153
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:36,479
that time right but i'll be sitting

4154
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:39,600
there i'll just glance down 11 11.

4155
02:44:44,230 --> 02:44:42,240
yeah and i just laugh man

4156
02:44:46,230 --> 02:44:44,240
it's like my little note

4157
02:44:49,429 --> 02:44:46,240
yeah yeah it's my little moment to

4158
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:49,439
myself man i enjoy it now i i i want to

4159
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:53,840
circle back uh to the religious thing um

4160
02:44:58,550 --> 02:44:56,560
it happens a few times uh during

4161
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:58,560
uh the first three episodes and i don't

4162
02:45:02,630 --> 02:45:00,560
know what's happening later i haven't

4163
02:45:04,630 --> 02:45:02,640
seen the season yet

4164
02:45:07,670 --> 02:45:04,640
um but uh

4165
02:45:09,349 --> 02:45:07,680
there there are a couple of moments uh

4166
02:45:10,469 --> 02:45:09,359
where

4167
02:45:12,469 --> 02:45:10,479
uh

4168
02:45:14,630 --> 02:45:12,479
it happens in the cabbage patch right

4169
02:45:16,790 --> 02:45:14,640
you bring in a minister

4170
02:45:17,990 --> 02:45:16,800
and and he does his thing

4171
02:45:20,710 --> 02:45:18,000
um

4172
02:45:23,349 --> 02:45:20,720
you also have kids coming in right after

4173
02:45:25,269 --> 02:45:23,359
that and you know uh you can't tell the

4174
02:45:27,349 --> 02:45:25,279
kids oh by the way a couple of days ago

4175
02:45:29,269 --> 02:45:27,359
man some crazy stuff went down here

4176
02:45:30,630 --> 02:45:29,279
right right you're about to spend the

4177
02:45:33,030 --> 02:45:30,640
night

4178
02:45:34,870 --> 02:45:33,040
no you can't you can't do that but you

4179
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:34,880
also have to have concern

4180
02:45:38,710 --> 02:45:37,920
right that that is what is going on were

4181
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:38,720
you

4182
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:39,760
uh

4183
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:41,600
what was everything

4184
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:43,680
was there a sense of relief

4185
02:45:47,990 --> 02:45:46,880
in the cabbage patch after the priest

4186
02:45:50,790 --> 02:45:48,000
his thing

4187
02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:50,800
yeah there really was and then just as a

4188
02:45:55,030 --> 02:45:52,560
backup we were there that night when the

4189
02:45:56,309 --> 02:45:55,040
kids got there and our team stayed for

4190
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:56,319
quite a while and you see the scene

4191
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:57,760
where we're out there interacting with

4192
02:46:02,150 --> 02:45:59,840
the kids and you know we told some ghost

4193
02:46:03,990 --> 02:46:02,160
stories and we told some cool stuff and

4194
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:04,000
answered some questions and then i took

4195
02:46:07,190 --> 02:46:05,920
the mayor and the police chief in and

4196
02:46:09,030 --> 02:46:07,200
showed him the footage of what had

4197
02:46:10,870 --> 02:46:09,040
happened to me at the cabbage patch

4198
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:10,880
um

4199
02:46:14,389 --> 02:46:12,479
you know explaining to them that there's

4200
02:46:15,750 --> 02:46:14,399
a lot going on but we're here and we're

4201
02:46:17,429 --> 02:46:15,760
going to keep an eye on so if we did we

4202
02:46:19,830 --> 02:46:17,439
stayed until the kids were going down to

4203
02:46:21,349 --> 02:46:19,840
bed just to make sure nothing happened

4204
02:46:23,110 --> 02:46:21,359
while they were investigating and

4205
02:46:26,230 --> 02:46:23,120
checking places out we wanted to be on

4206
02:46:28,150 --> 02:46:26,240
hand quick and our hq is literally like

4207
02:46:30,790 --> 02:46:28,160
three blocks away so

4208
02:46:32,389 --> 02:46:30,800
fisk had my number had kd's number

4209
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:32,399
cindy's number so

4210
02:46:35,910 --> 02:46:34,080
we were on the ready that night that if

4211
02:46:37,830 --> 02:46:35,920
anything went down we would be back in

4212
02:46:39,349 --> 02:46:37,840
the rv and fly over there and thankfully

4213
02:46:41,349 --> 02:46:39,359
nothing happened and you know we left

4214
02:46:42,870 --> 02:46:41,359
kids with a positive

4215
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:42,880
vibe and again i think a lot of it has

4216
02:46:46,790 --> 02:46:44,720
to do with the mentality you're in and

4217
02:46:49,110 --> 02:46:46,800
the uh intention you bring to a

4218
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:49,120
situation if you go in in fear it's easy

4219
02:46:53,990 --> 02:46:51,359
for spirits to mess with you

4220
02:46:57,110 --> 02:46:54,000
okay so

4221
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:57,120
do spirits give a crap about a blessing

4222
02:47:02,790 --> 02:47:00,399
from a minister a priest holy water

4223
02:47:05,110 --> 02:47:02,800
sage burning whatever it is

4224
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:05,120
salt at the doorway

4225
02:47:09,030 --> 02:47:07,200
do they give a crap about that

4226
02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:09,040
and if they do

4227
02:47:14,710 --> 02:47:11,840
are we leaning towards something

4228
02:47:16,870 --> 02:47:14,720
i'm going to use the word demonic

4229
02:47:19,670 --> 02:47:16,880
what what what's the balance here what

4230
02:47:20,389 --> 02:47:19,680
do you think is actually happening

4231
02:47:21,910 --> 02:47:20,399
uh

4232
02:47:23,830 --> 02:47:21,920
again i think a lot of it just has to do

4233
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:23,840
with the power of intention of what

4234
02:47:27,110 --> 02:47:24,880
you're doing

4235
02:47:28,469 --> 02:47:27,120
um and when you're bringing intention of

4236
02:47:30,950 --> 02:47:28,479
a bunch of people together to put in

4237
02:47:32,389 --> 02:47:30,960
positivity and and deflect negativity i

4238
02:47:34,150 --> 02:47:32,399
think that does have an effect and an

4239
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:34,160
impact again you can feel that

4240
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:35,520
difference when you go in you know if

4241
02:47:39,269 --> 02:47:37,680
you're at a uh

4242
02:47:40,790 --> 02:47:39,279
you're at home and you're

4243
02:47:42,469 --> 02:47:40,800
dealing with everyday life and paying

4244
02:47:44,550 --> 02:47:42,479
bills and and having issues with the

4245
02:47:46,630 --> 02:47:44,560
wife and kids and then you go to church

4246
02:47:49,110 --> 02:47:46,640
that day and there's celebration and

4247
02:47:50,469 --> 02:47:49,120
singing and brotherhood and you know oh

4248
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:50,479
it brings you into a different place no

4249
02:47:53,510 --> 02:47:51,840
matter what religion you're a part of

4250
02:47:55,429 --> 02:47:53,520
there's a different intention and level

4251
02:47:57,670 --> 02:47:55,439
of energy and i think if you work at

4252
02:47:59,429 --> 02:47:57,680
bringing that level of energy up things

4253
02:48:01,429 --> 02:47:59,439
change for you that's the law of

4254
02:48:03,190 --> 02:48:01,439
attraction and that's how a lot of

4255
02:48:04,630 --> 02:48:03,200
really incredible things happen in life

4256
02:48:07,110 --> 02:48:04,640
and there's a lot of your viewers in

4257
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:07,120
mind that may scoff at that but you're

4258
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:09,359
talking to a 55 year old bald fat guy on

4259
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:10,960
tv who's dreamt about it ever since he

4260
02:48:14,550 --> 02:48:12,479
was a kid

4261
02:48:16,469 --> 02:48:14,560
i put myself in those positions by

4262
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:16,479
intention by manifesting throughout my

4263
02:48:20,070 --> 02:48:18,240
entire life i've gotten ninety percent

4264
02:48:21,510 --> 02:48:20,080
of what i've wanted in life

4265
02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:21,520
doesn't always mean that it works out

4266
02:48:24,630 --> 02:48:23,040
well but i've gotten ninety percent of

4267
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:24,640
what i wanted in life and i'm guessing

4268
02:48:28,230 --> 02:48:26,399
that that ten percent didn't come

4269
02:48:30,710 --> 02:48:28,240
through for a reason right the old

4270
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:30,720
unanswered prayers melody of you know

4271
02:48:35,349 --> 02:48:32,880
sometimes what you don't get sets you on

4272
02:48:37,750 --> 02:48:35,359
a path for something even better so i'm

4273
02:48:40,309 --> 02:48:37,760
i'm totally cool with manifestation and

4274
02:48:42,150 --> 02:48:40,319
intention and putting forth that good

4275
02:48:44,230 --> 02:48:42,160
good energy prayers whether you believe

4276
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:44,240
in them or not i've seen remarkable

4277
02:48:49,030 --> 02:48:47,760
changes my son my youngest son was born

4278
02:48:52,070 --> 02:48:49,040
august

4279
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:52,080
8 2009 he was almost three months

4280
02:48:56,070 --> 02:48:53,200
premature

4281
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:56,080
he weighed less than two pounds

4282
02:48:58,870 --> 02:48:57,120
doctors

4283
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:58,880
and his mom had preeclampsia and almost

4284
02:49:03,590 --> 02:49:01,359
died uh on the table they had to do an

4285
02:49:04,469 --> 02:49:03,600
emergency c-section and

4286
02:49:07,750 --> 02:49:04,479
uh

4287
02:49:09,750 --> 02:49:07,760
i i left and i posted about it and

4288
02:49:11,429 --> 02:49:09,760
posted on my social media and i had

4289
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:11,439
thousands of prayers come in from around

4290
02:49:14,550 --> 02:49:13,200
the world the doctor told me this kid's

4291
02:49:16,630 --> 02:49:14,560
gonna be in the hospital for at least

4292
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:16,640
five to six months because he's almost

4293
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:18,319
three months premature so he'll have to

4294
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:19,359
be in here for those three months and

4295
02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:20,560
then he's gonna need another three

4296
02:49:23,990 --> 02:49:22,479
months uh because he has to be able to

4297
02:49:25,910 --> 02:49:24,000
swallow on his own he has to maintain

4298
02:49:28,389 --> 02:49:25,920
his own body he has to do this he has to

4299
02:49:31,750 --> 02:49:28,399
do that we brought our home our son home

4300
02:49:33,830 --> 02:49:31,760
two and a half weeks after he was born

4301
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:33,840
so that is the power of intention there

4302
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:35,120
is

4303
02:49:42,309 --> 02:49:38,560
an extreme energy that happens there

4304
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:42,319
uh i you know some may call it

4305
02:49:47,349 --> 02:49:44,560
you know religious or a miracle

4306
02:49:49,910 --> 02:49:47,359
um oh okay whatever your definition is

4307
02:49:52,230 --> 02:49:49,920
but it's the energy of the universe and

4308
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:52,240
i i don't want to be all

4309
02:49:58,230 --> 02:49:54,479
you know i don't want to be all

4310
02:50:01,830 --> 02:49:58,240
uh new agey with this and crystals and

4311
02:50:03,910 --> 02:50:01,840
and and that stuff but you can't deny

4312
02:50:06,550 --> 02:50:03,920
that this is what is happening science

4313
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:06,560
just hasn't figured it out yet

4314
02:50:11,030 --> 02:50:09,120
oh science has figured it out but

4315
02:50:12,710 --> 02:50:11,040
there's no way to monetize it so science

4316
02:50:13,990 --> 02:50:12,720
doesn't talk about it

4317
02:50:15,750 --> 02:50:14,000
i and i don't mean to sound

4318
02:50:18,150 --> 02:50:15,760
conspiratorial but they don't want you

4319
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:18,160
manifesting good health it's easier to

4320
02:50:23,349 --> 02:50:19,840
and better money for me to you know sell

4321
02:50:26,550 --> 02:50:23,359
you little blue pills right and uh make

4322
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:26,560
you feel better through medicine um

4323
02:50:30,230 --> 02:50:28,640
i've suffered lifelong depression and

4324
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:30,240
anxiety i'm the one that pulls myself

4325
02:50:33,910 --> 02:50:31,760
out of it every time i don't need

4326
02:50:35,510 --> 02:50:33,920
medication i've done medication for

4327
02:50:37,830 --> 02:50:35,520
short bursts just when i've been in a

4328
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:37,840
really bad place but a lot of it has to

4329
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:39,439
do with the manifestation and intention

4330
02:50:43,349 --> 02:50:42,080
i put myself into um it works for me it

4331
02:50:45,990 --> 02:50:43,359
doesn't work for everybody and you got

4332
02:50:47,830 --> 02:50:46,000
to find what works for you but

4333
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:47,840
whether you want to call it god or the

4334
02:50:52,870 --> 02:50:51,359
universe or source or gaia

4335
02:50:53,990 --> 02:50:52,880
have a belief in something that's like

4336
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:54,000
the the

4337
02:50:59,349 --> 02:50:57,600
uh god i can't think of the word scott

4338
02:51:01,670 --> 02:50:59,359
walters is one of them and i'm the

4339
02:51:02,630 --> 02:51:01,680
freemasons yes you know you don't have

4340
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:02,640
to believe in god but you have to

4341
02:51:05,830 --> 02:51:04,880
believe in something you have to have

4342
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:05,840
belief

4343
02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:08,399
and i believe i believe in god and i

4344
02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:09,760
believe in christ

4345
02:51:12,710 --> 02:51:11,200
but i also believe in the power of

4346
02:51:14,469 --> 02:51:12,720
people and i believe in the power of

4347
02:51:17,190 --> 02:51:14,479
people coming together for a good cause

4348
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:17,200
can change things we've done prayer

4349
02:51:21,429 --> 02:51:19,040
intentions for

4350
02:51:23,349 --> 02:51:21,439
uh colorado a decade ago when they were

4351
02:51:25,429 --> 02:51:23,359
getting all those blazes and we did

4352
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:25,439
prayer requests and and

4353
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:27,680
energy and send the rains and all of a

4354
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:30,479
sudden they got torrential rainfalls

4355
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:32,560
roads were washing out businesses were

4356
02:51:36,550 --> 02:51:34,960
flooding we had to reel it back and then

4357
02:51:38,230 --> 02:51:36,560
i was real cautious with going forward

4358
02:51:39,750 --> 02:51:38,240
with those kind of intentions but we

4359
02:51:41,830 --> 02:51:39,760
were doing it and we were getting

4360
02:51:44,150 --> 02:51:41,840
california they're in a drought they

4361
02:51:45,910 --> 02:51:44,160
have no rain on their radar we all start

4362
02:51:47,190 --> 02:51:45,920
praying for three days and sending

4363
02:51:49,750 --> 02:51:47,200
intentions and all of a sudden they're

4364
02:51:51,670 --> 02:51:49,760
getting bursts they're getting rain so

4365
02:51:53,269 --> 02:51:51,680
it's just in the way you do it now right

4366
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:53,279
the book the secret is an interesting

4367
02:51:58,150 --> 02:51:55,200
book but what they don't tell you is the

4368
02:52:00,070 --> 02:51:58,160
best way to do it is not just say i want

4369
02:52:02,790 --> 02:52:00,080
you have to see what life is like once

4370
02:52:04,710 --> 02:52:02,800
you have it imagine not just that the

4371
02:52:07,030 --> 02:52:04,720
rains are coming but imagine

4372
02:52:09,190 --> 02:52:07,040
this the fires out imagine new growth

4373
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:09,200
growing up to the ground imagine the

4374
02:52:13,030 --> 02:52:11,279
birds and animals returning to this area

4375
02:52:14,469 --> 02:52:13,040
you've got to see the full

4376
02:52:16,070 --> 02:52:14,479
scale end of it i think for

4377
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:16,080
manifestation and intention to work

4378
02:52:19,990 --> 02:52:17,920
properly and i think that's why it's

4379
02:52:22,070 --> 02:52:20,000
it's a really cool superpower all of us

4380
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:22,080
have you just have to be willing to look

4381
02:52:27,190 --> 02:52:24,720
into it so new agey or not it works i

4382
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:27,200
know i know and we've been praying for

4383
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:28,960
rain here we're in the middle of a heat

4384
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:30,880
wave everybody knows what's going on

4385
02:52:34,550 --> 02:52:32,640
we've been praying for rain

4386
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:34,560
and i don't know if you know this but

4387
02:52:38,469 --> 02:52:36,640
you can check it out right now on the

4388
02:52:40,389 --> 02:52:38,479
news do you know what's happening right

4389
02:52:43,030 --> 02:52:40,399
now in southern california

4390
02:52:45,590 --> 02:52:43,040
i don't we have a hurricane

4391
02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:45,600
and it has just formed off of the

4392
02:52:51,830 --> 02:52:48,160
pacific coast of california oh is that

4393
02:52:55,110 --> 02:52:51,840
earl uh it's uh it starts with a i think

4394
02:52:58,469 --> 02:52:55,120
it's katie actually okay i think it's

4395
02:53:01,910 --> 02:52:58,479
okay it's working katie um uh

4396
02:53:04,469 --> 02:53:01,920
it's gonna be here uh over the weekend

4397
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:04,479
yeah so you know all that prayer all

4398
02:53:08,950 --> 02:53:07,120
that intention well here you go how

4399
02:53:12,469 --> 02:53:08,960
about a hurricane

4400
02:53:15,429 --> 02:53:12,479
so uh yeah yeah so we're gonna get uh

4401
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:15,439
what desperately needed moisture uh but

4402
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:17,279
it's probably a little more than we've

4403
02:53:21,190 --> 02:53:19,439
asked for or wanted

4404
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:21,200
well then just you still have time

4405
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:22,880
they've turned back the tides of war

4406
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:24,880
they've turned back horrible storms just

4407
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:26,160
have all of your hundred thousand

4408
02:53:28,870 --> 02:53:28,000
listeners start focusing on

4409
02:53:31,269 --> 02:53:28,880
good

4410
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:31,279
drenching rain that's healthy for the

4411
02:53:34,950 --> 02:53:33,279
land and healthy for the people and

4412
02:53:36,870 --> 02:53:34,960
brings a storm in that refreshes

4413
02:53:39,429 --> 02:53:36,880
everything and leaves everything as it

4414
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:39,439
was but now just better and restored and

4415
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:41,040
focus on that and you never know what

4416
02:53:45,510 --> 02:53:42,479
you might get you might you might just

4417
02:53:48,389 --> 02:53:45,520
see that that hurricane katie turns into

4418
02:53:49,590 --> 02:53:48,399
tropical storm dave and is much easier

4419
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:49,600
to deal with

4420
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,680
somebody just uh claudia just said it's

4421
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:53,520
called hurricane kay

4422
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:55,600
now why um

4423
02:54:04,630 --> 02:54:01,990
uh maybe we do maybe that's what bigfoot

4424
02:54:08,070 --> 02:54:04,640
is yeah

4425
02:54:13,590 --> 02:54:11,670
the monsters in the night yeah okay yeah

4426
02:54:15,269 --> 02:54:13,600
well here's here's my

4427
02:54:17,510 --> 02:54:15,279
i think this is an interesting theory

4428
02:54:19,590 --> 02:54:17,520
and i'm gonna play on science fiction to

4429
02:54:21,510 --> 02:54:19,600
talk about this we know that time is not

4430
02:54:22,389 --> 02:54:21,520
linear it doesn't start here and end

4431
02:54:24,950 --> 02:54:22,399
here

4432
02:54:27,990 --> 02:54:24,960
time is this big ball of wibbly wobbly

4433
02:54:31,190 --> 02:54:28,000
tiny why me mess right so maybe what's

4434
02:54:32,790 --> 02:54:31,200
happening is this timeline of

4435
02:54:33,790 --> 02:54:32,800
1880

4436
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:33,800
to

4437
02:54:40,710 --> 02:54:39,200
uh you know

4438
02:54:44,309 --> 02:54:40,720
something else another timeline that's

4439
02:54:47,590 --> 02:54:44,319
why those are you know 1880 to 1920 is

4440
02:54:48,950 --> 02:54:47,600
laying over 2000 to 2030. so that's why

4441
02:54:51,269 --> 02:54:48,960
we're seeing those ghosts and maybe as

4442
02:54:53,389 --> 02:54:51,279
2030 turns the corner and it suddenly

4443
02:54:57,830 --> 02:54:53,399
starts to lay against

4444
02:55:00,230 --> 02:54:57,840
1950 to 1990 or maybe further back in

4445
02:55:02,469 --> 02:55:00,240
time and as that timeline undulates and

4446
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:02,479
keeps changing like the string theory

4447
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:04,080
maybe it lays on different spots and

4448
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:05,359
that's when we'll see those different

4449
02:55:08,309 --> 02:55:06,880
elements of hauntings come through a

4450
02:55:10,389 --> 02:55:08,319
little bit more strong

4451
02:55:12,230 --> 02:55:10,399
but i don't think hauntings are any one

4452
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:12,240
thing i think there is

4453
02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:14,000
timelines that are touching i think

4454
02:55:18,950 --> 02:55:15,520
there is thinning of the veil in some

4455
02:55:21,750 --> 02:55:18,960
areas i think there is um

4456
02:55:24,469 --> 02:55:21,760
residual hauntings there are intelligent

4457
02:55:27,110 --> 02:55:24,479
hauntings uh but who's haunting who is

4458
02:55:28,790 --> 02:55:27,120
that intelligent haunting grandma

4459
02:55:30,550 --> 02:55:28,800
seeing you through the veil and thinking

4460
02:55:32,469 --> 02:55:30,560
her house is haunted and you're seeing

4461
02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:32,479
her thinking oh my god grandma's

4462
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:34,800
visiting me but she never told you that

4463
02:55:37,990 --> 02:55:36,000
one day she was in her house and all of

4464
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:38,000
a sudden you appeared in front of her

4465
02:55:41,349 --> 02:55:39,359
and she thought she was just crazy so

4466
02:55:42,950 --> 02:55:41,359
she never brought it up

4467
02:55:44,389 --> 02:55:42,960
there's a lot of that going on you hear

4468
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:44,399
these haunted prisons

4469
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:46,640
haunted um

4470
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:50,240
asylums and sanatoriums and sanitariums

4471
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:51,840
that while it was fully functioning it

4472
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:52,960
was haunted

4473
02:55:55,590 --> 02:55:54,080
and then we go in and we're

4474
02:55:57,110 --> 02:55:55,600
investigating waverly hills and we round

4475
02:55:59,110 --> 02:55:57,120
the corner and the nurse looks up and

4476
02:56:01,510 --> 02:55:59,120
sees us and turns around and

4477
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:01,520
why did she run from us you're the ghost

4478
02:56:05,590 --> 02:56:03,760
but maybe we were her ghost

4479
02:56:08,389 --> 02:56:05,600
so i think there's a many different

4480
02:56:09,510 --> 02:56:08,399
myriad of of examples of what really is

4481
02:56:11,190 --> 02:56:09,520
taking place and i don't think there's

4482
02:56:13,110 --> 02:56:11,200
any one of those

4483
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:13,120
that totally locks down everything that

4484
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:15,200
we're experiencing

4485
02:56:20,790 --> 02:56:17,520
so sasquatch

4486
02:56:24,230 --> 02:56:20,800
could be the ghost of neanderthal

4487
02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:24,240
right or or the missing link or whatever

4488
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:27,600
sure right that's interesting you're

4489
02:56:30,389 --> 02:56:29,439
kind of freaking me out with this but

4490
02:56:33,750 --> 02:56:30,399
i've i

4491
02:56:35,190 --> 02:56:33,760
i get that question a lot well why

4492
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:35,200
why is it

4493
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:37,200
uh that

4494
02:56:40,309 --> 02:56:38,640
you know we're seeing confederate

4495
02:56:42,389 --> 02:56:40,319
soldiers you know

4496
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:42,399
you know in gettysburg right and and you

4497
02:56:46,870 --> 02:56:44,160
hear these stories whatever it is you go

4498
02:56:48,710 --> 02:56:46,880
to that historical moment but that that

4499
02:56:51,830 --> 02:56:48,720
they're not the only people that could

4500
02:56:54,389 --> 02:56:51,840
be a entity or spit or whatever that

4501
02:56:57,429 --> 02:56:54,399
could be at that location history goes

4502
02:56:59,910 --> 02:56:57,439
back a long ways so where is everything

4503
02:57:02,309 --> 02:56:59,920
else or are we seeing it and we're just

4504
02:57:03,750 --> 02:57:02,319
not understanding uh what it is that

4505
02:57:06,070 --> 02:57:03,760
we're encountering

4506
02:57:07,269 --> 02:57:06,080
here's an interesting element to look at

4507
02:57:09,190 --> 02:57:07,279
maybe the reason that we don't see

4508
02:57:10,710 --> 02:57:09,200
dinosaurs is because dinosaurs didn't

4509
02:57:12,710 --> 02:57:10,720
know to pray they didn't go to

4510
02:57:14,150 --> 02:57:12,720
spiritualists they didn't reach through

4511
02:57:16,950 --> 02:57:14,160
the veil to try to communicate with

4512
02:57:19,590 --> 02:57:16,960
other dinosaurs that had passed away

4513
02:57:21,670 --> 02:57:19,600
most of spiritualism and the big cycles

4514
02:57:24,230 --> 02:57:21,680
take place during wartime during the

4515
02:57:25,990 --> 02:57:24,240
civil war during the american revolution

4516
02:57:28,950 --> 02:57:26,000
right after 9 11 is when this new

4517
02:57:31,510 --> 02:57:28,960
explosion of paranormal programming and

4518
02:57:33,429 --> 02:57:31,520
heightened spiritualism kicked in

4519
02:57:34,550 --> 02:57:33,439
so people were seeking answers outside

4520
02:57:37,510 --> 02:57:34,560
of the normal

4521
02:57:39,030 --> 02:57:37,520
so my concept on this is maybe uh the

4522
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:39,040
reason we see these things is because

4523
02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:40,800
those are the tracks in time that we

4524
02:57:45,269 --> 02:57:43,840
opened a wound because we were looking

4525
02:57:47,429 --> 02:57:45,279
for closure we were looking to

4526
02:57:49,590 --> 02:57:47,439
communicate with those spirits and we

4527
02:57:51,910 --> 02:57:49,600
created an opening for the spirits of

4528
02:57:53,510 --> 02:57:51,920
the civil war because so many parents

4529
02:57:56,070 --> 02:57:53,520
and brothers and sisters and mothers and

4530
02:57:57,190 --> 02:57:56,080
wives were calling forth those spirits

4531
02:57:59,030 --> 02:57:57,200
that we

4532
02:58:00,870 --> 02:57:59,040
we created that chasm

4533
02:58:02,710 --> 02:58:00,880
and maybe it's in those moments that we

4534
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:02,720
see the most

4535
02:58:07,190 --> 02:58:04,479
dramatic elements and you know my friend

4536
02:58:09,750 --> 02:58:07,200
jeff belanger says ghosts are history's

4537
02:58:11,990 --> 02:58:09,760
way of demanding to be remembered

4538
02:58:14,230 --> 02:58:12,000
and for good reason because of those of

4539
02:58:16,070 --> 02:58:14,240
us that lost and are grieving and for

4540
02:58:18,550 --> 02:58:16,080
those of us that have crossed over and

4541
02:58:21,349 --> 02:58:18,560
don't want to be forgotten

4542
02:58:23,510 --> 02:58:21,359
i can't wait for episode four um i'm

4543
02:58:25,349 --> 02:58:23,520
really really excited about this i have

4544
02:58:27,030 --> 02:58:25,359
to wait till sunday

4545
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:27,040
normally

4546
02:58:30,710 --> 02:58:29,120
dave sends me the entire season in

4547
02:58:32,389 --> 02:58:30,720
advance this time around i just got

4548
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:32,399
forgotten and lost in the mix but that's

4549
02:58:37,910 --> 02:58:34,800
fine dave i'll i'll i'll ride this out

4550
02:58:39,269 --> 02:58:37,920
with everybody else um but when do you

4551
02:58:42,389 --> 02:58:39,279
put out uh

4552
02:58:43,590 --> 02:58:42,399
the new stuff paranormal 60 hits on

4553
02:58:50,630 --> 02:58:43,600
fridays

4554
02:58:53,510 --> 02:58:50,640
news and have some other cool elements

4555
02:58:55,349 --> 02:58:53,520
like paratunes and uh upon further

4556
02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:55,359
review movie review segments and and

4557
02:58:59,670 --> 02:58:57,760
other fun stuff and then tuesdays during

4558
02:59:01,349 --> 02:58:59,680
the run of ghosts of devil's perch i'm

4559
02:59:03,190 --> 02:59:01,359
going to do a bonus episode where we do

4560
02:59:05,030 --> 02:59:03,200
a recap of the previous week's episode

4561
02:59:06,630 --> 02:59:05,040
with a sneak peek at the next week so

4562
02:59:09,030 --> 02:59:06,640
right now you can find three episodes a

4563
02:59:11,030 --> 02:59:09,040
week youtube best way to check us out

4564
02:59:13,349 --> 02:59:11,040
mondays and fridays or listen to us

4565
02:59:15,429 --> 02:59:13,359
anytime through most of the major uh

4566
02:59:17,510 --> 02:59:15,439
podcast platforms out there

4567
02:59:20,309 --> 02:59:17,520
now i i don't want to bum everybody out

4568
02:59:23,429 --> 02:59:20,319
but maybe your answer will be different

4569
02:59:25,349 --> 02:59:23,439
um are they there will be a season five

4570
02:59:28,630 --> 02:59:25,359
and it'll be in another location are

4571
02:59:30,950 --> 02:59:28,640
they gonna bring in a brand new team

4572
02:59:33,190 --> 02:59:30,960
hopefully if there's another

4573
02:59:34,870 --> 02:59:33,200
season it'll be on our team you know

4574
02:59:37,190 --> 02:59:34,880
shepherdstown did two seasons in

4575
02:59:39,269 --> 02:59:37,200
shepherdstown um

4576
02:59:41,349 --> 02:59:39,279
they only made a change because the

4577
02:59:42,710 --> 02:59:41,359
network got bought out and they brought

4578
02:59:44,710 --> 02:59:42,720
over and tried to use the talent that

4579
02:59:46,790 --> 02:59:44,720
was already part of their contract which

4580
02:59:47,670 --> 02:59:46,800
was ben hansen sarah limos jeremy

4581
02:59:49,190 --> 02:59:47,680
leonard

4582
02:59:50,389 --> 02:59:49,200
kd and then they moved us in they

4583
02:59:52,710 --> 02:59:50,399
claimed at the beginning they'd like to

4584
02:59:53,429 --> 02:59:52,720
keep a core team together going forward

4585
02:59:55,269 --> 02:59:53,439
but

4586
02:59:57,110 --> 02:59:55,279
i don't know maybe we'll meet a new town

4587
02:59:59,190 --> 02:59:57,120
maybe i hope we get to go back to butte

4588
03:00:01,429 --> 02:59:59,200
because like i said there's still a lot

4589
03:00:03,750 --> 03:00:01,439
of stories i want to know about and we

4590
03:00:05,510 --> 03:00:03,760
have a great historian there and a great

4591
03:00:07,190 --> 03:00:05,520
location so

4592
03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:07,200
you know you feel like you're back in

4593
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:09,279
time yeah you have a great team and the

4594
03:00:14,150 --> 03:00:11,920
chemistry is right thank you

4595
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:14,160
it's a great team individually but uh

4596
03:00:19,030 --> 03:00:15,920
together you guys

4597
03:00:22,389 --> 03:00:19,040
um and i recommend uh the

4598
03:00:23,670 --> 03:00:22,399
just because it's schrader okay this is

4599
03:00:25,590 --> 03:00:23,680
great stuff

4600
03:00:28,070 --> 03:00:25,600
and if i'm gonna pick up the phone and

4601
03:00:30,550 --> 03:00:28,080
text dave at one o'clock in the morning

4602
03:00:32,630 --> 03:00:30,560
uh dude this is awesome it's because i

4603
03:00:35,510 --> 03:00:32,640
mean it it's a great series thanks and

4604
03:00:38,630 --> 03:00:35,520
uh congratulations man thank you so much

4605
03:00:40,790 --> 03:00:38,640
always great having you on my man and uh

4606
03:00:42,469 --> 03:00:40,800
let's do it again as soon as we can

4607
03:00:44,230 --> 03:00:42,479
how about when the series wraps up in

4608
03:00:45,830 --> 03:00:44,240
october it's gonna end up around the

4609
03:00:47,190 --> 03:00:45,840
second week in october maybe we can come

4610
03:00:49,590 --> 03:00:47,200
back and talk about all the other weird

4611
03:00:51,110 --> 03:00:49,600
stuff that you saw and uh the questions

4612
03:00:52,870 --> 03:00:51,120
you're left with how does that sound i

4613
03:00:55,110 --> 03:00:52,880
would love that i would absolutely good

4614
03:00:56,950 --> 03:00:55,120
job and now look thank you buddy

4615
03:00:58,870 --> 03:00:56,960
dave you're the best my man thank you so

4616
03:01:01,349 --> 03:00:58,880
much take care buddy

4617
03:01:03,750 --> 03:01:01,359
dave thank you everybody

4618
03:01:06,309 --> 03:01:03,760
the schrader knots get out of here man

4619
03:01:08,550 --> 03:01:06,319
i'll talk to you

4620
03:01:11,190 --> 03:01:08,560
dave schrader what a great conversation

4621
03:01:14,150 --> 03:01:11,200
tonight and again it's on travel channel

4622
03:01:15,670 --> 03:01:14,160
and a discovery plus the ghost of

4623
03:01:17,830 --> 03:01:15,680
devil's perch

4624
03:01:20,230 --> 03:01:17,840
and uh like i've been saying this all

4625
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night three three episodes are out so

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you can get through those and then get

4627
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to episode four this sunday

4628
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it's a it's incredible and and uh here's

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the thing we we talked a lot tonight

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you're gonna watch uh

4631
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uh the season and go and you guys just

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barely touch this

4633
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so much stuff is going on you're really

4634
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going to enjoy it so thank you so much

4635
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for that dave and i'm going to get out

4636
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of here i want to remind everybody uh

4637
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tomorrow night is fader night with open

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lines all night long yeah now that dave

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is

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my favorite night of the week that's

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right fade to black is produced by hill

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j paul renee dennis and kevin announcers

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kovar webmaster is drew the geek music

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doug aldridge intro space boy

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spaceboymusic.com fade to black is

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produced by kjcr for the game changer

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copied or used anywhere in the known

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universe without written permission from

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fade to black for the game changer

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network our meals jimmy church tomorrow

4655
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night is fader night until we get there

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i want everybody to be safe

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[Music]

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what